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Unidentified signals on FT8 frequencies
Identifying signals in the satellite exclusive bandDMR / DSTAR / P25 Software Encode / DecodeExpected practices for one ham operating under another's privileges?How do I go about identifying an unknown digital signal?Troposcatter: really all that bad?Is there an FT8 or other weak-signal digital mode specification available?How/where can I learn about ft8?What is the minimum equipment necessary to get on the air with FT8?What does CQ NM mean in FT8?Should I add call signs with /R suffix to the logbook?
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When I work in FT8 mode I often see signals like these:
I couldn't identify these signals using SigiWiki nor managed I to decode them using WSJT-X. Though these signals seem to use 15 second frames. They don't seem to be a noise created by stations that use too much power.
Does it look like any amateur radio digital mode to you?
digital-modes signal-identification ft8
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Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUKAleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
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When I work in FT8 mode I often see signals like these:
I couldn't identify these signals using SigiWiki nor managed I to decode them using WSJT-X. Though these signals seem to use 15 second frames. They don't seem to be a noise created by stations that use too much power.
Does it look like any amateur radio digital mode to you?
digital-modes signal-identification ft8
asked 7 hours ago
Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUKAleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
6218
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It would be helpful if the frequency scale was shown in order to understand the bandwidth of the signal components.
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– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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Also notice that the left and right marked signals are different schemes. They are both 8-MFSK but they are using different tones/bandwidths.
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– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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The frequency is 14.074. One mark on the top is 100 Hz.
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– Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
5 hours ago
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When I work in FT8 mode I often see signals like these:
I couldn't identify these signals using SigiWiki nor managed I to decode them using WSJT-X. Though these signals seem to use 15 second frames. They don't seem to be a noise created by stations that use too much power.
Does it look like any amateur radio digital mode to you?
digital-modes signal-identification ft8
asked 7 hours ago
Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUKAleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
6218
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When I work in FT8 mode I often see signals like these:
I couldn't identify these signals using SigiWiki nor managed I to decode them using WSJT-X. Though these signals seem to use 15 second frames. They don't seem to be a noise created by stations that use too much power.
Does it look like any amateur radio digital mode to you?
digital-modes signal-identification ft8
digital-modes signal-identification ft8
asked 7 hours ago
Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUKAleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
6218
asked 7 hours ago
Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUKAleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
6218
asked 7 hours ago
Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUKAleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
6218
asked 7 hours ago
Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUKAleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
6218
asked 7 hours ago
Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUKAleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
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It would be helpful if the frequency scale was shown in order to understand the bandwidth of the signal components.
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– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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Also notice that the left and right marked signals are different schemes. They are both 8-MFSK but they are using different tones/bandwidths.
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– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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The frequency is 14.074. One mark on the top is 100 Hz.
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– Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
5 hours ago
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It would be helpful if the frequency scale was shown in order to understand the bandwidth of the signal components.
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– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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Also notice that the left and right marked signals are different schemes. They are both 8-MFSK but they are using different tones/bandwidths.
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– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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The frequency is 14.074. One mark on the top is 100 Hz.
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– Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
5 hours ago
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It would be helpful if the frequency scale was shown in order to understand the bandwidth of the signal components.
$endgroup$
– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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It would be helpful if the frequency scale was shown in order to understand the bandwidth of the signal components.
$endgroup$
– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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Also notice that the left and right marked signals are different schemes. They are both 8-MFSK but they are using different tones/bandwidths.
$endgroup$
– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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Also notice that the left and right marked signals are different schemes. They are both 8-MFSK but they are using different tones/bandwidths.
$endgroup$
– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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The frequency is 14.074. One mark on the top is 100 Hz.
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– Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
5 hours ago
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The frequency is 14.074. One mark on the top is 100 Hz.
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– Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
5 hours ago
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Both marked signals follow an 8 tone MFSK pattern. The one on the left is about 125 hertz wide while the one on the right is about 100 hertz wide.
The signal on the left appears to follow the waterfall that would be expected from an Olivia 8/125 (8 tones with 125 hertz bandwidth) signal although this is not a common Olivia mode. Olivia is a free typing, teletype like mode, so the 15 second sequence wouldn't apply.
I cannot offer any suggestions for the 100 hertz wide signal on the right of the waterfall.
answered 4 hours ago
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The fact that they align properly to the FT8 15-second period, and have 8 tones (the same as FT8) is a sign that these may be distorted FT8 signals, caused by AF harmonics in the transmitter or the receiver. The one on the right, being about 100Hz wide, is a second harmonic, and the one on the left, being about 150Hz wide, may be a third harmonic.
But before you go looking for the offending signal at 1/2 or 1/3 of the audio frequency, remember that when the "Split" option in wsjtx is set to "Rig" or "Fake It", the software will adjust the TX VFO in order to put the transmit audio somewhere between 1500 and 2000 Hz. e.g. if you're on 14.074.000 and you put your transmit cursor on 235Hz, wsjtx will actually tune the rig to 14.072.500 and send it audio at 1735Hz; if you put your transmit cursor on 2560Hz, wsjtx will tune the rig to 14.075.000 and send it audio at 1560Hz. If the distortion is being caused by the transmitter, therefore, the subharmonic will probably not appear on the waterfall at 1/2 or 1/3 of the frequency of the harmonic product.
Even with this offsetting, a third harmonic anywhere to the left of 3000Hz on the waterfall is hard to explain, but it may be caused by frequency aliasing in the receive path. Perhaps someone else has a more complete explanation.
answered 1 hour ago
hobbs - KC2Ghobbs - KC2G
71028
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I think you're right. The FT8 signal level from the sound card to the rig's mic input may be too high, or the operator may have his mic gain up too high.
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– Mike Waters♦
1 hour ago
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Both marked signals follow an 8 tone MFSK pattern. The one on the left is about 125 hertz wide while the one on the right is about 100 hertz wide.
The signal on the left appears to follow the waterfall that would be expected from an Olivia 8/125 (8 tones with 125 hertz bandwidth) signal although this is not a common Olivia mode. Olivia is a free typing, teletype like mode, so the 15 second sequence wouldn't apply.
I cannot offer any suggestions for the 100 hertz wide signal on the right of the waterfall.
answered 4 hours ago
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Both marked signals follow an 8 tone MFSK pattern. The one on the left is about 125 hertz wide while the one on the right is about 100 hertz wide.
The signal on the left appears to follow the waterfall that would be expected from an Olivia 8/125 (8 tones with 125 hertz bandwidth) signal although this is not a common Olivia mode. Olivia is a free typing, teletype like mode, so the 15 second sequence wouldn't apply.
I cannot offer any suggestions for the 100 hertz wide signal on the right of the waterfall.
answered 4 hours ago
Glenn W9IQGlenn W9IQ
16.2k11146
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Both marked signals follow an 8 tone MFSK pattern. The one on the left is about 125 hertz wide while the one on the right is about 100 hertz wide.
The signal on the left appears to follow the waterfall that would be expected from an Olivia 8/125 (8 tones with 125 hertz bandwidth) signal although this is not a common Olivia mode. Olivia is a free typing, teletype like mode, so the 15 second sequence wouldn't apply.
I cannot offer any suggestions for the 100 hertz wide signal on the right of the waterfall.
answered 4 hours ago
Glenn W9IQGlenn W9IQ
16.2k11146
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Both marked signals follow an 8 tone MFSK pattern. The one on the left is about 125 hertz wide while the one on the right is about 100 hertz wide.
The signal on the left appears to follow the waterfall that would be expected from an Olivia 8/125 (8 tones with 125 hertz bandwidth) signal although this is not a common Olivia mode. Olivia is a free typing, teletype like mode, so the 15 second sequence wouldn't apply.
I cannot offer any suggestions for the 100 hertz wide signal on the right of the waterfall.
answered 4 hours ago
Glenn W9IQGlenn W9IQ
16.2k11146
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Glenn W9IQGlenn W9IQ
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Glenn W9IQGlenn W9IQ
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answered 4 hours ago
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The fact that they align properly to the FT8 15-second period, and have 8 tones (the same as FT8) is a sign that these may be distorted FT8 signals, caused by AF harmonics in the transmitter or the receiver. The one on the right, being about 100Hz wide, is a second harmonic, and the one on the left, being about 150Hz wide, may be a third harmonic.
But before you go looking for the offending signal at 1/2 or 1/3 of the audio frequency, remember that when the "Split" option in wsjtx is set to "Rig" or "Fake It", the software will adjust the TX VFO in order to put the transmit audio somewhere between 1500 and 2000 Hz. e.g. if you're on 14.074.000 and you put your transmit cursor on 235Hz, wsjtx will actually tune the rig to 14.072.500 and send it audio at 1735Hz; if you put your transmit cursor on 2560Hz, wsjtx will tune the rig to 14.075.000 and send it audio at 1560Hz. If the distortion is being caused by the transmitter, therefore, the subharmonic will probably not appear on the waterfall at 1/2 or 1/3 of the frequency of the harmonic product.
Even with this offsetting, a third harmonic anywhere to the left of 3000Hz on the waterfall is hard to explain, but it may be caused by frequency aliasing in the receive path. Perhaps someone else has a more complete explanation.
answered 1 hour ago
hobbs - KC2Ghobbs - KC2G
71028
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I think you're right. The FT8 signal level from the sound card to the rig's mic input may be too high, or the operator may have his mic gain up too high.
$endgroup$
– Mike Waters♦
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The fact that they align properly to the FT8 15-second period, and have 8 tones (the same as FT8) is a sign that these may be distorted FT8 signals, caused by AF harmonics in the transmitter or the receiver. The one on the right, being about 100Hz wide, is a second harmonic, and the one on the left, being about 150Hz wide, may be a third harmonic.
But before you go looking for the offending signal at 1/2 or 1/3 of the audio frequency, remember that when the "Split" option in wsjtx is set to "Rig" or "Fake It", the software will adjust the TX VFO in order to put the transmit audio somewhere between 1500 and 2000 Hz. e.g. if you're on 14.074.000 and you put your transmit cursor on 235Hz, wsjtx will actually tune the rig to 14.072.500 and send it audio at 1735Hz; if you put your transmit cursor on 2560Hz, wsjtx will tune the rig to 14.075.000 and send it audio at 1560Hz. If the distortion is being caused by the transmitter, therefore, the subharmonic will probably not appear on the waterfall at 1/2 or 1/3 of the frequency of the harmonic product.
Even with this offsetting, a third harmonic anywhere to the left of 3000Hz on the waterfall is hard to explain, but it may be caused by frequency aliasing in the receive path. Perhaps someone else has a more complete explanation.
answered 1 hour ago
hobbs - KC2Ghobbs - KC2G
71028
$endgroup$
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I think you're right. The FT8 signal level from the sound card to the rig's mic input may be too high, or the operator may have his mic gain up too high.
$endgroup$
– Mike Waters♦
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The fact that they align properly to the FT8 15-second period, and have 8 tones (the same as FT8) is a sign that these may be distorted FT8 signals, caused by AF harmonics in the transmitter or the receiver. The one on the right, being about 100Hz wide, is a second harmonic, and the one on the left, being about 150Hz wide, may be a third harmonic.
But before you go looking for the offending signal at 1/2 or 1/3 of the audio frequency, remember that when the "Split" option in wsjtx is set to "Rig" or "Fake It", the software will adjust the TX VFO in order to put the transmit audio somewhere between 1500 and 2000 Hz. e.g. if you're on 14.074.000 and you put your transmit cursor on 235Hz, wsjtx will actually tune the rig to 14.072.500 and send it audio at 1735Hz; if you put your transmit cursor on 2560Hz, wsjtx will tune the rig to 14.075.000 and send it audio at 1560Hz. If the distortion is being caused by the transmitter, therefore, the subharmonic will probably not appear on the waterfall at 1/2 or 1/3 of the frequency of the harmonic product.
Even with this offsetting, a third harmonic anywhere to the left of 3000Hz on the waterfall is hard to explain, but it may be caused by frequency aliasing in the receive path. Perhaps someone else has a more complete explanation.
answered 1 hour ago
hobbs - KC2Ghobbs - KC2G
71028
$endgroup$
The fact that they align properly to the FT8 15-second period, and have 8 tones (the same as FT8) is a sign that these may be distorted FT8 signals, caused by AF harmonics in the transmitter or the receiver. The one on the right, being about 100Hz wide, is a second harmonic, and the one on the left, being about 150Hz wide, may be a third harmonic.
But before you go looking for the offending signal at 1/2 or 1/3 of the audio frequency, remember that when the "Split" option in wsjtx is set to "Rig" or "Fake It", the software will adjust the TX VFO in order to put the transmit audio somewhere between 1500 and 2000 Hz. e.g. if you're on 14.074.000 and you put your transmit cursor on 235Hz, wsjtx will actually tune the rig to 14.072.500 and send it audio at 1735Hz; if you put your transmit cursor on 2560Hz, wsjtx will tune the rig to 14.075.000 and send it audio at 1560Hz. If the distortion is being caused by the transmitter, therefore, the subharmonic will probably not appear on the waterfall at 1/2 or 1/3 of the frequency of the harmonic product.
Even with this offsetting, a third harmonic anywhere to the left of 3000Hz on the waterfall is hard to explain, but it may be caused by frequency aliasing in the receive path. Perhaps someone else has a more complete explanation.
answered 1 hour ago
hobbs - KC2Ghobbs - KC2G
71028
answered 1 hour ago
hobbs - KC2Ghobbs - KC2G
71028
answered 1 hour ago
hobbs - KC2Ghobbs - KC2G
71028
answered 1 hour ago
hobbs - KC2Ghobbs - KC2G
71028
71028
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I think you're right. The FT8 signal level from the sound card to the rig's mic input may be too high, or the operator may have his mic gain up too high.
$endgroup$
– Mike Waters♦
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I think you're right. The FT8 signal level from the sound card to the rig's mic input may be too high, or the operator may have his mic gain up too high.
$endgroup$
– Mike Waters♦
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I think you're right. The FT8 signal level from the sound card to the rig's mic input may be too high, or the operator may have his mic gain up too high.
$endgroup$
– Mike Waters♦
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I think you're right. The FT8 signal level from the sound card to the rig's mic input may be too high, or the operator may have his mic gain up too high.
$endgroup$
– Mike Waters♦
1 hour ago
add a comment |
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It would be helpful if the frequency scale was shown in order to understand the bandwidth of the signal components.
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– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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Also notice that the left and right marked signals are different schemes. They are both 8-MFSK but they are using different tones/bandwidths.
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– Glenn W9IQ
6 hours ago
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The frequency is 14.074. One mark on the top is 100 Hz.
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– Aleksander Alekseev - R2AUK
5 hours ago