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Should we avoid writing fiction about historical events without extensive research?


How do we write a story about genocide committed by a fascist government without falling into the “Nazi Germany” cliché?Researching sensitive subjectsShould I avoid “lecturing” my readers?Archetypical/popular historical fictionHow to write a “strong” passage?Will what worked 'back then' work today? (Novels)Historical Fiction: using you and thouHow do you make characters relatable if they exist in a completely different moral context?How do I write a MODERN combat/violence scene without being dry?Fictionizing firsthand accounts from history?Is it possible to narrate a novel in a faux-historical style without alienating the reader?













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I was thinking about writing about the Holocaust, but I am not sure if it's a good idea since I am not sure if people would feel offended if I exaggerate certain events or facts even if it makes the tragedy look more horrible. How can I go about setting my story in the midst of this event without causing too much offense (and assuming I don't want to do a lot of research first)? Are the considerations the same for other historical events?










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    As an aside, I don't think you can exaggerate the Holocaust. Have you seen Schindler's list? It was toned down.

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    As a reader of historical fiction, the lack of research doesn't offend me, but it does make me think the writer has very little respect for their chosen period / event. Worse, very little respect for the people who lived the event.

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    Personally I think this varies enormously by what the event is/was. If you aren't completely accurate when writing about a merchant ship trading between America and India in the 1800s, sticklers for detail with a particular interest in the period might grumble but no-one will really care. If you get things wrong about the Holocaust... wow. Don't do that. Don't even think about writing about that if you're not prepared to do the research and make sure you get it right.

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    To Clarify on @Galastel's comments, the Nazi Officer and villain in Schindler's List is a real historical figure (as is Schindler, who was a Nazi party member). Critics of the film felt he was over-top, but he was massively toned down. I did look for real life things he did, and gave up early on when I discovered that he was fired from running a concentration camp for being too cruel to the prisoners. I don't know the details, but when the Nazis say "His behavior makes the concentration camps look bad" you know you have a high threshold for exaggeration.

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    As an aside, I don't think you can exaggerate the Holocaust. Have you seen Schindler's list? It was toned down.

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    Personally I think this varies enormously by what the event is/was. If you aren't completely accurate when writing about a merchant ship trading between America and India in the 1800s, sticklers for detail with a particular interest in the period might grumble but no-one will really care. If you get things wrong about the Holocaust... wow. Don't do that. Don't even think about writing about that if you're not prepared to do the research and make sure you get it right.

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    To Clarify on @Galastel's comments, the Nazi Officer and villain in Schindler's List is a real historical figure (as is Schindler, who was a Nazi party member). Critics of the film felt he was over-top, but he was massively toned down. I did look for real life things he did, and gave up early on when I discovered that he was fired from running a concentration camp for being too cruel to the prisoners. I don't know the details, but when the Nazis say "His behavior makes the concentration camps look bad" you know you have a high threshold for exaggeration.

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    As an aside, I don't think you can exaggerate the Holocaust. Have you seen Schindler's list? It was toned down.

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    Personally I think this varies enormously by what the event is/was. If you aren't completely accurate when writing about a merchant ship trading between America and India in the 1800s, sticklers for detail with a particular interest in the period might grumble but no-one will really care. If you get things wrong about the Holocaust... wow. Don't do that. Don't even think about writing about that if you're not prepared to do the research and make sure you get it right.

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    To Clarify on @Galastel's comments, the Nazi Officer and villain in Schindler's List is a real historical figure (as is Schindler, who was a Nazi party member). Critics of the film felt he was over-top, but he was massively toned down. I did look for real life things he did, and gave up early on when I discovered that he was fired from running a concentration camp for being too cruel to the prisoners. I don't know the details, but when the Nazis say "His behavior makes the concentration camps look bad" you know you have a high threshold for exaggeration.

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    As an aside, I don't think you can exaggerate the Holocaust. Have you seen Schindler's list? It was toned down.

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    As a reader of historical fiction, the lack of research doesn't offend me, but it does make me think the writer has very little respect for their chosen period / event. Worse, very little respect for the people who lived the event.

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    Personally I think this varies enormously by what the event is/was. If you aren't completely accurate when writing about a merchant ship trading between America and India in the 1800s, sticklers for detail with a particular interest in the period might grumble but no-one will really care. If you get things wrong about the Holocaust... wow. Don't do that. Don't even think about writing about that if you're not prepared to do the research and make sure you get it right.

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    To Clarify on @Galastel's comments, the Nazi Officer and villain in Schindler's List is a real historical figure (as is Schindler, who was a Nazi party member). Critics of the film felt he was over-top, but he was massively toned down. I did look for real life things he did, and gave up early on when I discovered that he was fired from running a concentration camp for being too cruel to the prisoners. I don't know the details, but when the Nazis say "His behavior makes the concentration camps look bad" you know you have a high threshold for exaggeration.

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As a reader of historical fiction, the lack of research doesn't offend me, but it does make me think the writer has very little respect for their chosen period / event. Worse, very little respect for the people who lived the event.

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Personally I think this varies enormously by what the event is/was. If you aren't completely accurate when writing about a merchant ship trading between America and India in the 1800s, sticklers for detail with a particular interest in the period might grumble but no-one will really care. If you get things wrong about the Holocaust... wow. Don't do that. Don't even think about writing about that if you're not prepared to do the research and make sure you get it right.

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Personally I think this varies enormously by what the event is/was. If you aren't completely accurate when writing about a merchant ship trading between America and India in the 1800s, sticklers for detail with a particular interest in the period might grumble but no-one will really care. If you get things wrong about the Holocaust... wow. Don't do that. Don't even think about writing about that if you're not prepared to do the research and make sure you get it right.

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To Clarify on @Galastel's comments, the Nazi Officer and villain in Schindler's List is a real historical figure (as is Schindler, who was a Nazi party member). Critics of the film felt he was over-top, but he was massively toned down. I did look for real life things he did, and gave up early on when I discovered that he was fired from running a concentration camp for being too cruel to the prisoners. I don't know the details, but when the Nazis say "His behavior makes the concentration camps look bad" you know you have a high threshold for exaggeration.

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To Clarify on @Galastel's comments, the Nazi Officer and villain in Schindler's List is a real historical figure (as is Schindler, who was a Nazi party member). Critics of the film felt he was over-top, but he was massively toned down. I did look for real life things he did, and gave up early on when I discovered that he was fired from running a concentration camp for being too cruel to the prisoners. I don't know the details, but when the Nazis say "His behavior makes the concentration camps look bad" you know you have a high threshold for exaggeration.

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Research is vital if you want your story to succeed emotionally



Imagine that you're writing a story about a horse race. Your protagonist's horse is in second place, just barely behind their arch-nemesis. Right as they approach the finish line, the protagonist's horse gathers itself for a mighty leap and propels itself into the air over the other horse to claim victory.



This is a very dramatic and exciting moment - or it could be, if it weren't for the fact that it is completely impossible. Horse races don't involve leaping. This scene will fall completely flat for any reader who recognizes its impossibility. The readers most likely to know about how horse races work are people who care about horse races. These are also the readers who are most likely to be emotionally invested in a story about horse racing.



EDIT: For another example of a scene being cheapened by it's lack of realism, I give you: NCIS: Two idiots, one keyboard



Poorly researched inaccuracies alienate the readers who are the most emotionally invested in your story.



That's not a good thing.



The more emotionally attached people are to an event, the more important it is to portray that event correctly.



The more recent an event is, the more attached people will be to it.

The more important an event is, the more attached people will be to it.



The Holocaust is both in living memory (if only barely), and HUGELY important. You don't want to screw it up, and you will if you don't research it.




Research will make your story better



Even if you weren't worried about alienating your readers you should research anyways, because the details you will learn will enhance your story.



Learning about the way people lived, how they acted, and how they survived will inspire countless details that will allow you to move your story in new and interesting ways. Truth is stranger than fiction in many dramatic and exciting ways, but you can't take advantage of that unless you have researched those details.




Finally,



You will never be perfect



While watching Spiderman: Homecoming, I was briefly thrown out of the story because I happen to know that there are only two different schools who have won the Academic Decathlon in the past 8 years, and neither of them is anywhere close to New York. Peter Parker's school winning AcaDeca had to be fictional because the school doesn't exist, and it still briefly threw me out of the story. No matter what you do, you will not be able to perfectly recreate the events you are describing. That's okay. But you still need to get close enough that readers familiar with the subject aren't constantly being distracted by your inaccuracies. A blip here or there is fine.






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    Or for a more modern take on the horse race, there's the Magic Downshift. "We need to go faster! Let's shift into a lower gear and press the accelerator harder!" As every competent driver knows, shifting to a lower gear when you're already going as fast as you can will at best just slow you down, and at worst will seriously damage your engine.

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    "Horse races don't involve leaping." just because of the question, - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hunt_racing (although of course not over fellow competitors :) )

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    See, here's an example of where I didn't do my research, and it distracted a reader from the point I was trying to make. :)

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  • As an added bonus to the third point, in your research you will find people, places, and events that you can write about, instead of having to develop fictional people, places, and events.

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    @Graham - I've never seen downshift used like that. When cruising on low RPM downshift is very beneficial if you want to go into high rev range quickly and overtake someone. If there are depictions of people downshifting when already in high revs, yeah, that's just idiotic.

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Some events are far-off historical events. The most you risk if you write about them without doing the proper research is making a fool of yourself.



Other events are still within living memory. Some of your readers might have lived the event. @SaraCosta says in the comment that not doing research is a sign that "the writer has very little respect for their chosen period / event". Well, there would be living people whom you'd be disrespecting.



One particular way in which you could show disrespect is believing yourself to be exaggerating an event, when in fact you're falling drastically short. I always have a nervous twitch watching Casablanca, when they talk of Laszlo having escaped the Concentration Camps. I think of a concentration camp, I see this (warning graphic):




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Only, of course, when Casablanca was filmed, they didn't know yet. At least, the film-makers didn't.



The issue with believing yourself to be exaggerating an event, when in fact you're falling drastically short, the way you're being disrespectful, is you're underestimating the magnitude of the event. You're underestimating how big it was, how horrifying, how inescapable. You're telling people that their experience is not as big as they know it to have been. That can strike deep.



Also, if an event is still within living memory, it isn't too hard to do the research. You can find accounts and testimonies - written, or on youtube. Because research is easy, it follows that you didn't bother to do the research - you thought it "not worthy of your time", "not sufficiently important". That is how people would see it, and this too they would find offensive.






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    I agree with the points raised in this answer, especially the last paragraph. But I think gory pictures don't capture the significance of the Holocaust. OP may write a shocking, gory horror-story "about" the Holocaust that's still full of clichés and half-truths. In some way, this would be even more offensive than writing a toned-down, even a very sober story, if that story added some meaningful insight to our thinking about the Holocaust. You don't use the Holocaust for effect or as a prop.

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    @henning I think the picture exactly underscores Galastel's and Liquid's point. That's what actually happened. This IS what "living memory" is remembering. Anyone who is not willing to grapple with the reality of that very graphic photo is not prepared to write about the Holocaust. We as a culture have not assigned that significant word, with a capital H, to that horrific series of acts arbitrarily. If the OP wants to write about it, the OP must do the research to be respectful of the terrible suffering which happened.

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    we aren't talking about a random historical time period or just "war" in general. This was a specific, significant, targeted attack carried out over years against certain people. By all means set a story there if you want, but yes, you must do the research. The Holocaust is not a subject to take lightly. If you can't cope with that photo, set the story in a different time and place. That photo is what people in concentration camps faced. If that repels you, @repomonster, you can't get around your feelings by ignoring the reality of it. That is what is disrespectful.

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    TVTropes has a category called "Harsher In Hindsight" for things in narrative that have taken on a much darker tone because of events that occurred after the work was published. There is no starker example than Lazlo's remark to Major Strasser, "Even Nazis cannot kill that fast." Yes, Victor, yes, they can.

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    @MarkRogers OP asked about the Holocaust.

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In general, avoid writing about things you don't know



You are right to have misgivings about writing on a topic you haven't researched. There are a lot of risks involved in doing this. You risk offending people by accident, you risk misrepresenting real people in your work and you risk being called a lazy writer for not doing your research.



Know your topic



With most topics it is nearly impossible to write about it well if you don't know what you are talking about. To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like. Either you have lived there and know if from experience, or you do extensive research on the culture, layout, transport, architecture and climate. To not do this would open yourself up to poor reviews where readers correct all your mistakes. The same rules apply to historical settings.



Avoid giving details that may be wrong



If you feel that this is the only setting in which your story could work, then you should do the research. If you don't want to then avoid detailing the setting anymore than necessary. It is possible to write a story with a backdrop of a historical setting without giving details of it.



Many stories use the World Wars as a backdrop for the story. The Chronicles of Narnia is set during World War II but doesn't go into detail about the war itself. (Not that I'm suggesting C.S. Lewis didn't do his research) You can do a similar thing if you focus your story on a smaller scale, focus on the characters and the narrative rather than the setting.



Add a disclaimer




This work of fiction is for entertainment purposes only. Any misrepresentation of actual events is unintentional.




This won't stop people being offended, but may prevent the backlash.




I've given some advice on how to get away with writing without research, but my real message is: Do the research. Your writing will be better for it and you might learn a few things along the way that you would like to include.






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    Do note that The Chronicles of Narnia were published 1950-56; not much research into WWII would have been needed by any adult then living in England, as CSL was. Also the inital draft dates to 1939, which may have something to do with the lack of WWII detail, but mostly WWII is a bit of background not significant to the story.

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    @DavidSiegel Clearly he had done a lot of research ten years prior. He might not have known then that is was research, but he did do it.

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    @Arthur If you work as a plumber for a decade, and then later write a book where one character's background is that they are a plumber, that doesn't make your earlier career mere "research". It's "first-hand experience", which is superior to research for setting the tone.

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    linksassin - "To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like." Nothing annoys a London-born reader more than to read a (usually) American novel which has clearly been written by someone with a London street atlas open. A London complete with blocks, sidewalks, and cops who blow whistles at jaywalkers.

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Just don't.



You have a good ten thousand years of (semi) recorded history to choose from, in what is now hundreds of countries and multiple continents. There are many places and times you can pick that most people would know nothing about and you can get away with making stuff up.



Don't pick an event that has deep meaning for a very large number of people and is studied and commemorated by a good subset of them. If you're lucky, the worst that will happen is that people will think you're disrespectful.



Remember, a fair number of people out there believe the Holocaust never happened (or was a fraction of what it was in reality) and so they make up stories to downplay it. It doesn't matter if you think you're going to make it seem worse, the fact is that you'll be making up stories (and I don't mean ordinary fiction) and calling them history, and that's not okay.



Also, if you don't do the research, how do you know if your version is "worse?" Chances are, as other answers have pointed out, that you can't fathom the horrors of the actual Holocaust. I doubt anyone can without having lived it or learned about it from people who have.



As for other historical events, it depends. For events without a lot of attached emotion, if you get some things wrong, most people won't notice and some people will and will laugh at you. If you can live with that, then go for it.



Every author will mess up here and there and nearly every author will also make choices they know are wrong. I just posted a question where I am using a song written in a language that didn't even come into existence until a good 400 years after my setting.



But that's very different from deciding to be ignorant. Why would you want to use a large important event so recent that living people were actually there, as a...backdrop? tragic setting? life lesson? I can't even fathom what makes you think this is a good idea.






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If you don't want to do the research --and I sympathize with that --then you are not writing ABOUT a historical event, you are writing INSPIRED by a historical event. In that case, you and your readers would be best served by you presenting your story consistent with what it really is. So don't write about the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, write about "The Troubles" in fascist Ruritania. That way you're making no promises of historical accuracy, and can freely imagine your own scenario, taking as much or as little inspiration from history as you want.



If you are writing about history, even if fictionalized, then you'll want to make all the details that aren't specific to your actual story and narrative as accurate as you can. The stakes and the scrutiny are greatly raised in the case of something like the Holocaust, still on the edges of living memory, affecting millions of people, horrible at a grand scale, and inextricably tied to politics, race, religion, and any number of other hot-button issues. Not doing your due diligence here would quite rightly expose you to charges of cheap exploitation of a terrible tragedy.



As a side note, as someone who personally does NOT enjoy the research, I've learned it really is not avoidable. Even when writing fantasy, you need to make the world seem real, and that requires work, whether that is creative world-building, real-world research, or a combination of the two.






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    I'd avoid calling it "The Troubles" unless I meant The Troubles. Conflating The Troubles with The Holocaust would be... problematic.

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If you want to write HISTORICAL fiction. The history is a prerequisite. I absolutely agree with all of the comments about causing offense and being just respectful (especially given the magnitude and the cultural/ Historical/ emotional significance of the Holocaust). Additionally, from a purely writing perspective, you need to truly understand a place and time period to be able to bring emotional reality to it. You need to assume that many of your readers will actually know something about the topic. Ask yourself what your intended audience is. Are you really hoping to be read by people dumb enough not to notice that you don't know what you are talking about??? Probably not.



If you don't want to do the historical research, consider writing an entirely fictitious story that has a metaphorical connection to the historical period of your choice. There are many ways of doing this. I am pretty sure that J.K. Rowling did not start writing Harry Potter thinking "I have a great extended metaphor for Fascism." However, that historical and ideological context certainly provided fuel for her storytelling. Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" employs the more complex approach of intentionally applying this technique in reverse, using the Salem Witch Trials as a metaphor for the McCarthy Hearings. If you do not want to immerse yourself in a real historical time and place, an entirely fictitious one could allow you to tap into whatever you were hoping to get from the historical setting without tying you to the facts.



Otherwise- do your research!






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    If you don't want to research the history directly, you may want to look into the historiography -- how the history of something is studied/understood.



    Often that is why we supermoderns laugh at older works, because they made assumptions we think are silly, but by working from the common narratives of the time, yep, the "Dark Ages" were generally a bad time, instead of a poorly-documented one (well, few were available about that time for ages.)



    Or a well-publicized Winner's Edit view of history ("Manifest Destiny" was taught in my elementary school as the normal way of the world -- now I realize how colonialist it is/was). Often things such as oral histories were disregarded as not "real" because they weren't the expected "formal" style.



    Listening to a few podcasts (especially Tides of History and "Our Fake History"), I've learned how historians now incorporate the findings of archeologists and other non-textual documentation to understand the world.




    before I go deeper, a key point: I'm assuming we ARE dealing with Facts = Facts: no denying it happened, no minimizing 6 million Jews, and about 10 million other victims.




    So for the Holocaust example - how is it taught in Germany, where (to my in-researched recollection) Nazi imagery is forbidden? How is it taught in countries in Africa, who have had their own genocides, but perhaps little contact with most European history? Was it understood differently?



    I was profoundly influenced by the book Guns, Germs, and Steel , in which the fact that Europe/Asia is mostly an east-west spreading land-mass, while Africa and the Americas are mostly north-south spreading -- so the commonalities of terrain influenced how abilities and information were shared, creating feedback loops.... What sort of feedback loops influenced the every day European Citizen?



    Many more Theories of History are available as lenses to use for research. You don't need to research for fiction the same way you do for a History Test, but using these various ways of thinking about research can help give you insights into how you view your world and the world you're focused on, and thus can inspire some characters/scenarios for your book.



    These theories influence a lot of subgenres: time-travel to kill Hitler? Great Man Theory. Alt-history where the Third Reich expands only so far, and America ignores it? Perhaps it would implode in a societal collapse as it destroyed some of its greatest strengths. Writing about the daily life at start of the Reich -- how did they get from originating universities to this? History of Mentalities. Perhaps it's an outgrowth of the Information Revolution which started earlier than many think...



    Yes, these links are all Wikipedia -- that's because they're great starting points before deciding how to go deeper. But great fiction isn't just plot and details, but thinking about how the characters think, and how the society thinks, and whether those are in synch or opposition. So research isn't just a chore, or something done to appease nitpickers, but ways of understanding conflict and character in very deep ways. (This is also why fiction-reading leads to great empathy -- a good writer can help you understand why someone would make decisions that might seem impossible.)



    Good luck! This book sounds hard, but it could be great!






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      I'm annoyed when an author gets the streets wrong in a city I know (Commonwealth Avenue is not in Cambridge) or elementary physics wrong (16 feet per second per second isn't the same as 16 feet per second.)



      Real examples, but I've forgotten the titles of the novels.



      Mischaracterizing the holocaust would be much more than annoying.






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        Any writer who doesn't want school children to point out errors in his work should do the necessary historical research.



        Isaac Asimov once wrote an introduction to a book by L. Sprague de Camp describing de Camp's research for his historical works. But sometimes de Camp's research failed him.



        The protagonist of Lest Darkness Fall (1939) is transported to Rome in the 530s. He asks for directions from the Pantheon to the Forum and and is told to turn left where he should turn right. He arrives at the Forum anyway and sees that columns have been removed from the pagan temples. As far as I can tell from my historical reading most or all of the Forum temples still had their columns for centuries afterward. There is another scene where the standards of the Roman army are described as having the inscription "S.P.Q.R.", which many people believe they did, even though there is no evidence that they ever did, let alone in the 530s.



        The Lindsay Davis novel The Silver Pigs (1989) has Roman "detective" Marcus Didius Falco investigate a conspiracy in AD 70. There is a scene set at a imperial function in Nero's Golden House, but it is my impression that Vespasian never used the Golden House, in order to appear humble. One scene is set in the vestibule with the colossal statue of Nero. The vestibule is described as a room with a roof, but archaeologists usually think the vestibule was a open air courtyard or even a recess in the palace facade.



        P.C. Wren's Beau Geste (1924) gives a rather accurate impression of life in the French Foreign Legion, but has a number of historical inaccuracies. One scene establishes the date as after the death of Queen Victoria on 22 January 1901. In another scene characters reach Agades before the official first European visitors, the French mission of 1906, putting the fictional date sometime in 1901-1906. The French actually annexed Agades in 1900.



        But Heinrich Barth reached Agades in October 1850.




        Today a memorial tablet honours him as the first European to have ever entered the city.




        One of the problems with locating the fictional Fort Zinderneuf is that it is said to have been established in the Air country, years before the French reached Agades. But Agades was the capital of Air for centuries. So Fort Zinderneuf has to be somewhere in the Air country far enough from Agades that the French would build a fort there years before they annexed Agades, among other requirements.



        Another historical inaccuracy is the Geste brothers participating in an expedition and battle against Tauregs with an entire French brigade, which was far larger than any French expedition into the Sahara.



        The sequel, Beau Sabreur, happens at an inconsistent date. German agents plot to drive the French out of the Sahara, and mention Wilhelm II's visit to Jerusalem when a great breech was made in the city wall for him to enter. But actually the breech being made in the city walls is an urban legend.



        So the date of Beau Sabreur should be between Wilhelm II's visit to Jerusalem in 1898 and the final German defeat in WWI in 1918. But an American women visiting the Sahara has romantic notions about desert sheiks from movies she has seen, and as far as I know the first romantic movies about desert sheiks were The Sheik (1921) and The Son of the Sheik (1926).



        But Beau Sabreur clearly ends just a few years after Beau Geste, and thus probably before 1910. So it has a very inconsistent date.



        On the other hand, as far as I can tell one doesn't have to do any historical research at all, or can totally ignore your historical research, if you write for movies and TV. At least that often seems the case when watching movies and TV shows when I know anything at all about the historical periods.



        For example, I haven't seen Hostiles (2017) but it is said to be a good movie. But this synopsis seems to be historically implausible.




        In 1892, after nearly two decades of fighting the Cheyenne, the Apache, and the Comanche natives, the United States Cavalry Captain and war hero, Joseph Blocker, is ordered to escort the ailing Cheyenne chief, Yellow Hawk--his most despised enemy--to his ancestral home in Montana's Valley of the Bears. Nauseated with a baleful anger, Joseph's unwelcome final assignment in the feral American landscape is further complicated, when the widowed settler, Rosalie Quaid, is taken in by the band of soldiers, as aggressive packs of marauding Comanches who are still on the warpath, are thirsty for blood. In a territory crawling with hostiles, can the seasoned Captain do his duty one last time?
        Written by Nick Riganas




        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5478478/2



        And anyone with a basic knowledge of real life Indian Wars history knows there weren't any hostile Comanches roaming the plains in 1892.



        And it seems to me it would have been really easy for the scriptwriter to select a fictional year - 1872, for example - when hostile Comanche warriors were a danger.



        The Fantasy Island episode "My Fair Pharaoh/The Power" (10 May 1980) featured a historical character portrayed by an actor four times as old as the character ever lived to be. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0577765/3



        And examples of errors in television can be found even in allegedly non fictional TV programs. For example, the Bone Detectives episode "The Warlord of Bamburgh Castle" (24 March 2008), was about Edwin (killed AD 633), the first Christian king of Northumbria in Britain. And Edwin probably did have a stronghold at Bamburgh.



        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1192189/?ref_=ttep_ep124



        So filming scenes at Bamburgh Castles was a good idea. Except that they forgot to mention that the present stone castle there was built centuries after Edwin's time and rebuilt about 1900.



        And they said that Edwin's enemies Penda and Cadwallon were his enemies because they were pagans and Edwin converted to Christianity. Penda, king of Mercia, was a pagan, but members of his family converted to Christianity and Penda had political reasons to be Edwin's enemy.



        Cadwallon, king of Gwynedd and probably king of the Britons, was a Christian from a family which had been Christian for centuries and produced a number of British saints, including his own son Cadwallader the Blessed. Cadwallon attacked Edwin because Edwin had invaded Gwynedd and driven Cadwallon into exile in Ireland.



        I wonder what Mr. Evan Vaughn Anwyl of Tywyn thought if he watched that episode. Why should he care? Because he is probably the present day heir of Cadwallon, and since a legend claimed that Cadwallon married Penda's sister, possibly also the heir of Penda.



        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwyl_of_Tywyn_family5



        The first historical error I ever noticed was when I was in an elementary school which I left when I was eleven. The class watched a sort of television documentary on the Little Bighorn. It mentioned that Custer sent a detachment under Captain Benteen one way and a detachment under major Reno another way and rode on with the rest of his men in a third direction. So far so good. But then it said that Custer reunited with Benteen and Reno before making his last stand.



        And that didn't sound correct to me. So I checked out a couple of books about Custer and Custer's Last Stand from the school library and the public library and read that Reno and Benteen did not, repeat not, reunite with Custer before Custer's Last Stand, which is why most of their men survived.



        Being an introvert, I didn't bother to tell anyone. But any kid who was more extroverted than I was might have complained to the teacher about that error, which could have resulted in some humiliation for the creators of the documentary.



        So any writer of fiction or non fiction who doesn't want to be humiliated by school children pointing out his errors should do the necessary historical, scientific, geographic, etc. research.






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          In contrast to other answers, I have to say that research is not necessarily required. This is entirely dependent on your intended readership.



          If you're writing a bodice-ripper set in King Arthur's Court, well, research won't help you much and may well get in the way. Your audience probably doesn't know and doesn't care that life in them times was nasty, brutal, and short, and that chivalry was widely admired and just as widely ignored. Inconsequential details like universal fleas and lice will just get in the way of the story. The charming custom of bathing once a year probably won't help with modern readers, either - at least not the sort who read bodice-rippers.



          In fact, what you need to do in this case is no research at all on what life was like back then, but rather concentrate on the knowing the preconceptions of your audience.



          What you need to do above all else is to learn what the audience will and will not accept. Accuracy is entirely optional. Acceptable verisimilitude is not.






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            A good point to start from:
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              Research is vital if you want your story to succeed emotionally



              Imagine that you're writing a story about a horse race. Your protagonist's horse is in second place, just barely behind their arch-nemesis. Right as they approach the finish line, the protagonist's horse gathers itself for a mighty leap and propels itself into the air over the other horse to claim victory.



              This is a very dramatic and exciting moment - or it could be, if it weren't for the fact that it is completely impossible. Horse races don't involve leaping. This scene will fall completely flat for any reader who recognizes its impossibility. The readers most likely to know about how horse races work are people who care about horse races. These are also the readers who are most likely to be emotionally invested in a story about horse racing.



              EDIT: For another example of a scene being cheapened by it's lack of realism, I give you: NCIS: Two idiots, one keyboard



              Poorly researched inaccuracies alienate the readers who are the most emotionally invested in your story.



              That's not a good thing.



              The more emotionally attached people are to an event, the more important it is to portray that event correctly.



              The more recent an event is, the more attached people will be to it.

              The more important an event is, the more attached people will be to it.



              The Holocaust is both in living memory (if only barely), and HUGELY important. You don't want to screw it up, and you will if you don't research it.




              Research will make your story better



              Even if you weren't worried about alienating your readers you should research anyways, because the details you will learn will enhance your story.



              Learning about the way people lived, how they acted, and how they survived will inspire countless details that will allow you to move your story in new and interesting ways. Truth is stranger than fiction in many dramatic and exciting ways, but you can't take advantage of that unless you have researched those details.




              Finally,



              You will never be perfect



              While watching Spiderman: Homecoming, I was briefly thrown out of the story because I happen to know that there are only two different schools who have won the Academic Decathlon in the past 8 years, and neither of them is anywhere close to New York. Peter Parker's school winning AcaDeca had to be fictional because the school doesn't exist, and it still briefly threw me out of the story. No matter what you do, you will not be able to perfectly recreate the events you are describing. That's okay. But you still need to get close enough that readers familiar with the subject aren't constantly being distracted by your inaccuracies. A blip here or there is fine.






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                Or for a more modern take on the horse race, there's the Magic Downshift. "We need to go faster! Let's shift into a lower gear and press the accelerator harder!" As every competent driver knows, shifting to a lower gear when you're already going as fast as you can will at best just slow you down, and at worst will seriously damage your engine.

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                "Horse races don't involve leaping." just because of the question, - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hunt_racing (although of course not over fellow competitors :) )

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                See, here's an example of where I didn't do my research, and it distracted a reader from the point I was trying to make. :)

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              • As an added bonus to the third point, in your research you will find people, places, and events that you can write about, instead of having to develop fictional people, places, and events.

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                @Graham - I've never seen downshift used like that. When cruising on low RPM downshift is very beneficial if you want to go into high rev range quickly and overtake someone. If there are depictions of people downshifting when already in high revs, yeah, that's just idiotic.

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              Research is vital if you want your story to succeed emotionally



              Imagine that you're writing a story about a horse race. Your protagonist's horse is in second place, just barely behind their arch-nemesis. Right as they approach the finish line, the protagonist's horse gathers itself for a mighty leap and propels itself into the air over the other horse to claim victory.



              This is a very dramatic and exciting moment - or it could be, if it weren't for the fact that it is completely impossible. Horse races don't involve leaping. This scene will fall completely flat for any reader who recognizes its impossibility. The readers most likely to know about how horse races work are people who care about horse races. These are also the readers who are most likely to be emotionally invested in a story about horse racing.



              EDIT: For another example of a scene being cheapened by it's lack of realism, I give you: NCIS: Two idiots, one keyboard



              Poorly researched inaccuracies alienate the readers who are the most emotionally invested in your story.



              That's not a good thing.



              The more emotionally attached people are to an event, the more important it is to portray that event correctly.



              The more recent an event is, the more attached people will be to it.

              The more important an event is, the more attached people will be to it.



              The Holocaust is both in living memory (if only barely), and HUGELY important. You don't want to screw it up, and you will if you don't research it.




              Research will make your story better



              Even if you weren't worried about alienating your readers you should research anyways, because the details you will learn will enhance your story.



              Learning about the way people lived, how they acted, and how they survived will inspire countless details that will allow you to move your story in new and interesting ways. Truth is stranger than fiction in many dramatic and exciting ways, but you can't take advantage of that unless you have researched those details.




              Finally,



              You will never be perfect



              While watching Spiderman: Homecoming, I was briefly thrown out of the story because I happen to know that there are only two different schools who have won the Academic Decathlon in the past 8 years, and neither of them is anywhere close to New York. Peter Parker's school winning AcaDeca had to be fictional because the school doesn't exist, and it still briefly threw me out of the story. No matter what you do, you will not be able to perfectly recreate the events you are describing. That's okay. But you still need to get close enough that readers familiar with the subject aren't constantly being distracted by your inaccuracies. A blip here or there is fine.






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                Or for a more modern take on the horse race, there's the Magic Downshift. "We need to go faster! Let's shift into a lower gear and press the accelerator harder!" As every competent driver knows, shifting to a lower gear when you're already going as fast as you can will at best just slow you down, and at worst will seriously damage your engine.

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                "Horse races don't involve leaping." just because of the question, - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hunt_racing (although of course not over fellow competitors :) )

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                See, here's an example of where I didn't do my research, and it distracted a reader from the point I was trying to make. :)

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              • As an added bonus to the third point, in your research you will find people, places, and events that you can write about, instead of having to develop fictional people, places, and events.

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                @Graham - I've never seen downshift used like that. When cruising on low RPM downshift is very beneficial if you want to go into high rev range quickly and overtake someone. If there are depictions of people downshifting when already in high revs, yeah, that's just idiotic.

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              Research is vital if you want your story to succeed emotionally



              Imagine that you're writing a story about a horse race. Your protagonist's horse is in second place, just barely behind their arch-nemesis. Right as they approach the finish line, the protagonist's horse gathers itself for a mighty leap and propels itself into the air over the other horse to claim victory.



              This is a very dramatic and exciting moment - or it could be, if it weren't for the fact that it is completely impossible. Horse races don't involve leaping. This scene will fall completely flat for any reader who recognizes its impossibility. The readers most likely to know about how horse races work are people who care about horse races. These are also the readers who are most likely to be emotionally invested in a story about horse racing.



              EDIT: For another example of a scene being cheapened by it's lack of realism, I give you: NCIS: Two idiots, one keyboard



              Poorly researched inaccuracies alienate the readers who are the most emotionally invested in your story.



              That's not a good thing.



              The more emotionally attached people are to an event, the more important it is to portray that event correctly.



              The more recent an event is, the more attached people will be to it.

              The more important an event is, the more attached people will be to it.



              The Holocaust is both in living memory (if only barely), and HUGELY important. You don't want to screw it up, and you will if you don't research it.




              Research will make your story better



              Even if you weren't worried about alienating your readers you should research anyways, because the details you will learn will enhance your story.



              Learning about the way people lived, how they acted, and how they survived will inspire countless details that will allow you to move your story in new and interesting ways. Truth is stranger than fiction in many dramatic and exciting ways, but you can't take advantage of that unless you have researched those details.




              Finally,



              You will never be perfect



              While watching Spiderman: Homecoming, I was briefly thrown out of the story because I happen to know that there are only two different schools who have won the Academic Decathlon in the past 8 years, and neither of them is anywhere close to New York. Peter Parker's school winning AcaDeca had to be fictional because the school doesn't exist, and it still briefly threw me out of the story. No matter what you do, you will not be able to perfectly recreate the events you are describing. That's okay. But you still need to get close enough that readers familiar with the subject aren't constantly being distracted by your inaccuracies. A blip here or there is fine.






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              Research is vital if you want your story to succeed emotionally



              Imagine that you're writing a story about a horse race. Your protagonist's horse is in second place, just barely behind their arch-nemesis. Right as they approach the finish line, the protagonist's horse gathers itself for a mighty leap and propels itself into the air over the other horse to claim victory.



              This is a very dramatic and exciting moment - or it could be, if it weren't for the fact that it is completely impossible. Horse races don't involve leaping. This scene will fall completely flat for any reader who recognizes its impossibility. The readers most likely to know about how horse races work are people who care about horse races. These are also the readers who are most likely to be emotionally invested in a story about horse racing.



              EDIT: For another example of a scene being cheapened by it's lack of realism, I give you: NCIS: Two idiots, one keyboard



              Poorly researched inaccuracies alienate the readers who are the most emotionally invested in your story.



              That's not a good thing.



              The more emotionally attached people are to an event, the more important it is to portray that event correctly.



              The more recent an event is, the more attached people will be to it.

              The more important an event is, the more attached people will be to it.



              The Holocaust is both in living memory (if only barely), and HUGELY important. You don't want to screw it up, and you will if you don't research it.




              Research will make your story better



              Even if you weren't worried about alienating your readers you should research anyways, because the details you will learn will enhance your story.



              Learning about the way people lived, how they acted, and how they survived will inspire countless details that will allow you to move your story in new and interesting ways. Truth is stranger than fiction in many dramatic and exciting ways, but you can't take advantage of that unless you have researched those details.




              Finally,



              You will never be perfect



              While watching Spiderman: Homecoming, I was briefly thrown out of the story because I happen to know that there are only two different schools who have won the Academic Decathlon in the past 8 years, and neither of them is anywhere close to New York. Peter Parker's school winning AcaDeca had to be fictional because the school doesn't exist, and it still briefly threw me out of the story. No matter what you do, you will not be able to perfectly recreate the events you are describing. That's okay. But you still need to get close enough that readers familiar with the subject aren't constantly being distracted by your inaccuracies. A blip here or there is fine.







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                Or for a more modern take on the horse race, there's the Magic Downshift. "We need to go faster! Let's shift into a lower gear and press the accelerator harder!" As every competent driver knows, shifting to a lower gear when you're already going as fast as you can will at best just slow you down, and at worst will seriously damage your engine.

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                "Horse races don't involve leaping." just because of the question, - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hunt_racing (although of course not over fellow competitors :) )

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                See, here's an example of where I didn't do my research, and it distracted a reader from the point I was trying to make. :)

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              • As an added bonus to the third point, in your research you will find people, places, and events that you can write about, instead of having to develop fictional people, places, and events.

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                @Graham - I've never seen downshift used like that. When cruising on low RPM downshift is very beneficial if you want to go into high rev range quickly and overtake someone. If there are depictions of people downshifting when already in high revs, yeah, that's just idiotic.

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                Or for a more modern take on the horse race, there's the Magic Downshift. "We need to go faster! Let's shift into a lower gear and press the accelerator harder!" As every competent driver knows, shifting to a lower gear when you're already going as fast as you can will at best just slow you down, and at worst will seriously damage your engine.

                – Graham
                yesterday






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                "Horse races don't involve leaping." just because of the question, - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hunt_racing (although of course not over fellow competitors :) )

                – Orangesandlemons
                yesterday






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                See, here's an example of where I didn't do my research, and it distracted a reader from the point I was trying to make. :)

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              • As an added bonus to the third point, in your research you will find people, places, and events that you can write about, instead of having to develop fictional people, places, and events.

                – EvilSnack
                yesterday






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                @Graham - I've never seen downshift used like that. When cruising on low RPM downshift is very beneficial if you want to go into high rev range quickly and overtake someone. If there are depictions of people downshifting when already in high revs, yeah, that's just idiotic.

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              Or for a more modern take on the horse race, there's the Magic Downshift. "We need to go faster! Let's shift into a lower gear and press the accelerator harder!" As every competent driver knows, shifting to a lower gear when you're already going as fast as you can will at best just slow you down, and at worst will seriously damage your engine.

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              yesterday





              Or for a more modern take on the horse race, there's the Magic Downshift. "We need to go faster! Let's shift into a lower gear and press the accelerator harder!" As every competent driver knows, shifting to a lower gear when you're already going as fast as you can will at best just slow you down, and at worst will seriously damage your engine.

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              yesterday




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              "Horse races don't involve leaping." just because of the question, - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hunt_racing (although of course not over fellow competitors :) )

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              "Horse races don't involve leaping." just because of the question, - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hunt_racing (although of course not over fellow competitors :) )

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              See, here's an example of where I didn't do my research, and it distracted a reader from the point I was trying to make. :)

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              See, here's an example of where I didn't do my research, and it distracted a reader from the point I was trying to make. :)

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              As an added bonus to the third point, in your research you will find people, places, and events that you can write about, instead of having to develop fictional people, places, and events.

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              As an added bonus to the third point, in your research you will find people, places, and events that you can write about, instead of having to develop fictional people, places, and events.

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              @Graham - I've never seen downshift used like that. When cruising on low RPM downshift is very beneficial if you want to go into high rev range quickly and overtake someone. If there are depictions of people downshifting when already in high revs, yeah, that's just idiotic.

              – Davor
              yesterday





              @Graham - I've never seen downshift used like that. When cruising on low RPM downshift is very beneficial if you want to go into high rev range quickly and overtake someone. If there are depictions of people downshifting when already in high revs, yeah, that's just idiotic.

              – Davor
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              Some events are far-off historical events. The most you risk if you write about them without doing the proper research is making a fool of yourself.



              Other events are still within living memory. Some of your readers might have lived the event. @SaraCosta says in the comment that not doing research is a sign that "the writer has very little respect for their chosen period / event". Well, there would be living people whom you'd be disrespecting.



              One particular way in which you could show disrespect is believing yourself to be exaggerating an event, when in fact you're falling drastically short. I always have a nervous twitch watching Casablanca, when they talk of Laszlo having escaped the Concentration Camps. I think of a concentration camp, I see this (warning graphic):




              enter image description here(source)




              Only, of course, when Casablanca was filmed, they didn't know yet. At least, the film-makers didn't.



              The issue with believing yourself to be exaggerating an event, when in fact you're falling drastically short, the way you're being disrespectful, is you're underestimating the magnitude of the event. You're underestimating how big it was, how horrifying, how inescapable. You're telling people that their experience is not as big as they know it to have been. That can strike deep.



              Also, if an event is still within living memory, it isn't too hard to do the research. You can find accounts and testimonies - written, or on youtube. Because research is easy, it follows that you didn't bother to do the research - you thought it "not worthy of your time", "not sufficiently important". That is how people would see it, and this too they would find offensive.






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                I agree with the points raised in this answer, especially the last paragraph. But I think gory pictures don't capture the significance of the Holocaust. OP may write a shocking, gory horror-story "about" the Holocaust that's still full of clichés and half-truths. In some way, this would be even more offensive than writing a toned-down, even a very sober story, if that story added some meaningful insight to our thinking about the Holocaust. You don't use the Holocaust for effect or as a prop.

                – henning
                2 days ago







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                @henning I think the picture exactly underscores Galastel's and Liquid's point. That's what actually happened. This IS what "living memory" is remembering. Anyone who is not willing to grapple with the reality of that very graphic photo is not prepared to write about the Holocaust. We as a culture have not assigned that significant word, with a capital H, to that horrific series of acts arbitrarily. If the OP wants to write about it, the OP must do the research to be respectful of the terrible suffering which happened.

                – Lauren Ipsum
                2 days ago






              • 5





                we aren't talking about a random historical time period or just "war" in general. This was a specific, significant, targeted attack carried out over years against certain people. By all means set a story there if you want, but yes, you must do the research. The Holocaust is not a subject to take lightly. If you can't cope with that photo, set the story in a different time and place. That photo is what people in concentration camps faced. If that repels you, @repomonster, you can't get around your feelings by ignoring the reality of it. That is what is disrespectful.

                – Lauren Ipsum
                2 days ago







              • 8





                TVTropes has a category called "Harsher In Hindsight" for things in narrative that have taken on a much darker tone because of events that occurred after the work was published. There is no starker example than Lazlo's remark to Major Strasser, "Even Nazis cannot kill that fast." Yes, Victor, yes, they can.

                – Malvolio
                yesterday






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                @MarkRogers OP asked about the Holocaust.

                – Galastel
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              Some events are far-off historical events. The most you risk if you write about them without doing the proper research is making a fool of yourself.



              Other events are still within living memory. Some of your readers might have lived the event. @SaraCosta says in the comment that not doing research is a sign that "the writer has very little respect for their chosen period / event". Well, there would be living people whom you'd be disrespecting.



              One particular way in which you could show disrespect is believing yourself to be exaggerating an event, when in fact you're falling drastically short. I always have a nervous twitch watching Casablanca, when they talk of Laszlo having escaped the Concentration Camps. I think of a concentration camp, I see this (warning graphic):




              enter image description here(source)




              Only, of course, when Casablanca was filmed, they didn't know yet. At least, the film-makers didn't.



              The issue with believing yourself to be exaggerating an event, when in fact you're falling drastically short, the way you're being disrespectful, is you're underestimating the magnitude of the event. You're underestimating how big it was, how horrifying, how inescapable. You're telling people that their experience is not as big as they know it to have been. That can strike deep.



              Also, if an event is still within living memory, it isn't too hard to do the research. You can find accounts and testimonies - written, or on youtube. Because research is easy, it follows that you didn't bother to do the research - you thought it "not worthy of your time", "not sufficiently important". That is how people would see it, and this too they would find offensive.






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              • 4





                I agree with the points raised in this answer, especially the last paragraph. But I think gory pictures don't capture the significance of the Holocaust. OP may write a shocking, gory horror-story "about" the Holocaust that's still full of clichés and half-truths. In some way, this would be even more offensive than writing a toned-down, even a very sober story, if that story added some meaningful insight to our thinking about the Holocaust. You don't use the Holocaust for effect or as a prop.

                – henning
                2 days ago







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                @henning I think the picture exactly underscores Galastel's and Liquid's point. That's what actually happened. This IS what "living memory" is remembering. Anyone who is not willing to grapple with the reality of that very graphic photo is not prepared to write about the Holocaust. We as a culture have not assigned that significant word, with a capital H, to that horrific series of acts arbitrarily. If the OP wants to write about it, the OP must do the research to be respectful of the terrible suffering which happened.

                – Lauren Ipsum
                2 days ago






              • 5





                we aren't talking about a random historical time period or just "war" in general. This was a specific, significant, targeted attack carried out over years against certain people. By all means set a story there if you want, but yes, you must do the research. The Holocaust is not a subject to take lightly. If you can't cope with that photo, set the story in a different time and place. That photo is what people in concentration camps faced. If that repels you, @repomonster, you can't get around your feelings by ignoring the reality of it. That is what is disrespectful.

                – Lauren Ipsum
                2 days ago







              • 8





                TVTropes has a category called "Harsher In Hindsight" for things in narrative that have taken on a much darker tone because of events that occurred after the work was published. There is no starker example than Lazlo's remark to Major Strasser, "Even Nazis cannot kill that fast." Yes, Victor, yes, they can.

                – Malvolio
                yesterday






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                @MarkRogers OP asked about the Holocaust.

                – Galastel
                yesterday













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              28







              Some events are far-off historical events. The most you risk if you write about them without doing the proper research is making a fool of yourself.



              Other events are still within living memory. Some of your readers might have lived the event. @SaraCosta says in the comment that not doing research is a sign that "the writer has very little respect for their chosen period / event". Well, there would be living people whom you'd be disrespecting.



              One particular way in which you could show disrespect is believing yourself to be exaggerating an event, when in fact you're falling drastically short. I always have a nervous twitch watching Casablanca, when they talk of Laszlo having escaped the Concentration Camps. I think of a concentration camp, I see this (warning graphic):




              enter image description here(source)




              Only, of course, when Casablanca was filmed, they didn't know yet. At least, the film-makers didn't.



              The issue with believing yourself to be exaggerating an event, when in fact you're falling drastically short, the way you're being disrespectful, is you're underestimating the magnitude of the event. You're underestimating how big it was, how horrifying, how inescapable. You're telling people that their experience is not as big as they know it to have been. That can strike deep.



              Also, if an event is still within living memory, it isn't too hard to do the research. You can find accounts and testimonies - written, or on youtube. Because research is easy, it follows that you didn't bother to do the research - you thought it "not worthy of your time", "not sufficiently important". That is how people would see it, and this too they would find offensive.






              share|improve this answer















              Some events are far-off historical events. The most you risk if you write about them without doing the proper research is making a fool of yourself.



              Other events are still within living memory. Some of your readers might have lived the event. @SaraCosta says in the comment that not doing research is a sign that "the writer has very little respect for their chosen period / event". Well, there would be living people whom you'd be disrespecting.



              One particular way in which you could show disrespect is believing yourself to be exaggerating an event, when in fact you're falling drastically short. I always have a nervous twitch watching Casablanca, when they talk of Laszlo having escaped the Concentration Camps. I think of a concentration camp, I see this (warning graphic):




              enter image description here(source)




              Only, of course, when Casablanca was filmed, they didn't know yet. At least, the film-makers didn't.



              The issue with believing yourself to be exaggerating an event, when in fact you're falling drastically short, the way you're being disrespectful, is you're underestimating the magnitude of the event. You're underestimating how big it was, how horrifying, how inescapable. You're telling people that their experience is not as big as they know it to have been. That can strike deep.



              Also, if an event is still within living memory, it isn't too hard to do the research. You can find accounts and testimonies - written, or on youtube. Because research is easy, it follows that you didn't bother to do the research - you thought it "not worthy of your time", "not sufficiently important". That is how people would see it, and this too they would find offensive.







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                I agree with the points raised in this answer, especially the last paragraph. But I think gory pictures don't capture the significance of the Holocaust. OP may write a shocking, gory horror-story "about" the Holocaust that's still full of clichés and half-truths. In some way, this would be even more offensive than writing a toned-down, even a very sober story, if that story added some meaningful insight to our thinking about the Holocaust. You don't use the Holocaust for effect or as a prop.

                – henning
                2 days ago







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                @henning I think the picture exactly underscores Galastel's and Liquid's point. That's what actually happened. This IS what "living memory" is remembering. Anyone who is not willing to grapple with the reality of that very graphic photo is not prepared to write about the Holocaust. We as a culture have not assigned that significant word, with a capital H, to that horrific series of acts arbitrarily. If the OP wants to write about it, the OP must do the research to be respectful of the terrible suffering which happened.

                – Lauren Ipsum
                2 days ago






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                we aren't talking about a random historical time period or just "war" in general. This was a specific, significant, targeted attack carried out over years against certain people. By all means set a story there if you want, but yes, you must do the research. The Holocaust is not a subject to take lightly. If you can't cope with that photo, set the story in a different time and place. That photo is what people in concentration camps faced. If that repels you, @repomonster, you can't get around your feelings by ignoring the reality of it. That is what is disrespectful.

                – Lauren Ipsum
                2 days ago







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                TVTropes has a category called "Harsher In Hindsight" for things in narrative that have taken on a much darker tone because of events that occurred after the work was published. There is no starker example than Lazlo's remark to Major Strasser, "Even Nazis cannot kill that fast." Yes, Victor, yes, they can.

                – Malvolio
                yesterday






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                @MarkRogers OP asked about the Holocaust.

                – Galastel
                yesterday












              • 4





                I agree with the points raised in this answer, especially the last paragraph. But I think gory pictures don't capture the significance of the Holocaust. OP may write a shocking, gory horror-story "about" the Holocaust that's still full of clichés and half-truths. In some way, this would be even more offensive than writing a toned-down, even a very sober story, if that story added some meaningful insight to our thinking about the Holocaust. You don't use the Holocaust for effect or as a prop.

                – henning
                2 days ago







              • 9





                @henning I think the picture exactly underscores Galastel's and Liquid's point. That's what actually happened. This IS what "living memory" is remembering. Anyone who is not willing to grapple with the reality of that very graphic photo is not prepared to write about the Holocaust. We as a culture have not assigned that significant word, with a capital H, to that horrific series of acts arbitrarily. If the OP wants to write about it, the OP must do the research to be respectful of the terrible suffering which happened.

                – Lauren Ipsum
                2 days ago






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                we aren't talking about a random historical time period or just "war" in general. This was a specific, significant, targeted attack carried out over years against certain people. By all means set a story there if you want, but yes, you must do the research. The Holocaust is not a subject to take lightly. If you can't cope with that photo, set the story in a different time and place. That photo is what people in concentration camps faced. If that repels you, @repomonster, you can't get around your feelings by ignoring the reality of it. That is what is disrespectful.

                – Lauren Ipsum
                2 days ago







              • 8





                TVTropes has a category called "Harsher In Hindsight" for things in narrative that have taken on a much darker tone because of events that occurred after the work was published. There is no starker example than Lazlo's remark to Major Strasser, "Even Nazis cannot kill that fast." Yes, Victor, yes, they can.

                – Malvolio
                yesterday






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                @MarkRogers OP asked about the Holocaust.

                – Galastel
                yesterday







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              I agree with the points raised in this answer, especially the last paragraph. But I think gory pictures don't capture the significance of the Holocaust. OP may write a shocking, gory horror-story "about" the Holocaust that's still full of clichés and half-truths. In some way, this would be even more offensive than writing a toned-down, even a very sober story, if that story added some meaningful insight to our thinking about the Holocaust. You don't use the Holocaust for effect or as a prop.

              – henning
              2 days ago






              I agree with the points raised in this answer, especially the last paragraph. But I think gory pictures don't capture the significance of the Holocaust. OP may write a shocking, gory horror-story "about" the Holocaust that's still full of clichés and half-truths. In some way, this would be even more offensive than writing a toned-down, even a very sober story, if that story added some meaningful insight to our thinking about the Holocaust. You don't use the Holocaust for effect or as a prop.

              – henning
              2 days ago





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              @henning I think the picture exactly underscores Galastel's and Liquid's point. That's what actually happened. This IS what "living memory" is remembering. Anyone who is not willing to grapple with the reality of that very graphic photo is not prepared to write about the Holocaust. We as a culture have not assigned that significant word, with a capital H, to that horrific series of acts arbitrarily. If the OP wants to write about it, the OP must do the research to be respectful of the terrible suffering which happened.

              – Lauren Ipsum
              2 days ago





              @henning I think the picture exactly underscores Galastel's and Liquid's point. That's what actually happened. This IS what "living memory" is remembering. Anyone who is not willing to grapple with the reality of that very graphic photo is not prepared to write about the Holocaust. We as a culture have not assigned that significant word, with a capital H, to that horrific series of acts arbitrarily. If the OP wants to write about it, the OP must do the research to be respectful of the terrible suffering which happened.

              – Lauren Ipsum
              2 days ago




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              5





              we aren't talking about a random historical time period or just "war" in general. This was a specific, significant, targeted attack carried out over years against certain people. By all means set a story there if you want, but yes, you must do the research. The Holocaust is not a subject to take lightly. If you can't cope with that photo, set the story in a different time and place. That photo is what people in concentration camps faced. If that repels you, @repomonster, you can't get around your feelings by ignoring the reality of it. That is what is disrespectful.

              – Lauren Ipsum
              2 days ago






              we aren't talking about a random historical time period or just "war" in general. This was a specific, significant, targeted attack carried out over years against certain people. By all means set a story there if you want, but yes, you must do the research. The Holocaust is not a subject to take lightly. If you can't cope with that photo, set the story in a different time and place. That photo is what people in concentration camps faced. If that repels you, @repomonster, you can't get around your feelings by ignoring the reality of it. That is what is disrespectful.

              – Lauren Ipsum
              2 days ago





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              TVTropes has a category called "Harsher In Hindsight" for things in narrative that have taken on a much darker tone because of events that occurred after the work was published. There is no starker example than Lazlo's remark to Major Strasser, "Even Nazis cannot kill that fast." Yes, Victor, yes, they can.

              – Malvolio
              yesterday





              TVTropes has a category called "Harsher In Hindsight" for things in narrative that have taken on a much darker tone because of events that occurred after the work was published. There is no starker example than Lazlo's remark to Major Strasser, "Even Nazis cannot kill that fast." Yes, Victor, yes, they can.

              – Malvolio
              yesterday




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              @MarkRogers OP asked about the Holocaust.

              – Galastel
              yesterday





              @MarkRogers OP asked about the Holocaust.

              – Galastel
              yesterday











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              In general, avoid writing about things you don't know



              You are right to have misgivings about writing on a topic you haven't researched. There are a lot of risks involved in doing this. You risk offending people by accident, you risk misrepresenting real people in your work and you risk being called a lazy writer for not doing your research.



              Know your topic



              With most topics it is nearly impossible to write about it well if you don't know what you are talking about. To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like. Either you have lived there and know if from experience, or you do extensive research on the culture, layout, transport, architecture and climate. To not do this would open yourself up to poor reviews where readers correct all your mistakes. The same rules apply to historical settings.



              Avoid giving details that may be wrong



              If you feel that this is the only setting in which your story could work, then you should do the research. If you don't want to then avoid detailing the setting anymore than necessary. It is possible to write a story with a backdrop of a historical setting without giving details of it.



              Many stories use the World Wars as a backdrop for the story. The Chronicles of Narnia is set during World War II but doesn't go into detail about the war itself. (Not that I'm suggesting C.S. Lewis didn't do his research) You can do a similar thing if you focus your story on a smaller scale, focus on the characters and the narrative rather than the setting.



              Add a disclaimer




              This work of fiction is for entertainment purposes only. Any misrepresentation of actual events is unintentional.




              This won't stop people being offended, but may prevent the backlash.




              I've given some advice on how to get away with writing without research, but my real message is: Do the research. Your writing will be better for it and you might learn a few things along the way that you would like to include.






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                Do note that The Chronicles of Narnia were published 1950-56; not much research into WWII would have been needed by any adult then living in England, as CSL was. Also the inital draft dates to 1939, which may have something to do with the lack of WWII detail, but mostly WWII is a bit of background not significant to the story.

                – David Siegel
                2 days ago






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                @DavidSiegel Clearly he had done a lot of research ten years prior. He might not have known then that is was research, but he did do it.

                – Arthur
                2 days ago







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                @Arthur If you work as a plumber for a decade, and then later write a book where one character's background is that they are a plumber, that doesn't make your earlier career mere "research". It's "first-hand experience", which is superior to research for setting the tone.

                – Chronocidal
                2 days ago







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                linksassin - "To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like." Nothing annoys a London-born reader more than to read a (usually) American novel which has clearly been written by someone with a London street atlas open. A London complete with blocks, sidewalks, and cops who blow whistles at jaywalkers.

                – Michael Harvey
                2 days ago






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                You can hear Big Ben everywhere, and nothing exists outside London, except a few castles.

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              19














              In general, avoid writing about things you don't know



              You are right to have misgivings about writing on a topic you haven't researched. There are a lot of risks involved in doing this. You risk offending people by accident, you risk misrepresenting real people in your work and you risk being called a lazy writer for not doing your research.



              Know your topic



              With most topics it is nearly impossible to write about it well if you don't know what you are talking about. To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like. Either you have lived there and know if from experience, or you do extensive research on the culture, layout, transport, architecture and climate. To not do this would open yourself up to poor reviews where readers correct all your mistakes. The same rules apply to historical settings.



              Avoid giving details that may be wrong



              If you feel that this is the only setting in which your story could work, then you should do the research. If you don't want to then avoid detailing the setting anymore than necessary. It is possible to write a story with a backdrop of a historical setting without giving details of it.



              Many stories use the World Wars as a backdrop for the story. The Chronicles of Narnia is set during World War II but doesn't go into detail about the war itself. (Not that I'm suggesting C.S. Lewis didn't do his research) You can do a similar thing if you focus your story on a smaller scale, focus on the characters and the narrative rather than the setting.



              Add a disclaimer




              This work of fiction is for entertainment purposes only. Any misrepresentation of actual events is unintentional.




              This won't stop people being offended, but may prevent the backlash.




              I've given some advice on how to get away with writing without research, but my real message is: Do the research. Your writing will be better for it and you might learn a few things along the way that you would like to include.






              share|improve this answer




















              • 8





                Do note that The Chronicles of Narnia were published 1950-56; not much research into WWII would have been needed by any adult then living in England, as CSL was. Also the inital draft dates to 1939, which may have something to do with the lack of WWII detail, but mostly WWII is a bit of background not significant to the story.

                – David Siegel
                2 days ago






              • 1





                @DavidSiegel Clearly he had done a lot of research ten years prior. He might not have known then that is was research, but he did do it.

                – Arthur
                2 days ago







              • 4





                @Arthur If you work as a plumber for a decade, and then later write a book where one character's background is that they are a plumber, that doesn't make your earlier career mere "research". It's "first-hand experience", which is superior to research for setting the tone.

                – Chronocidal
                2 days ago







              • 6





                linksassin - "To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like." Nothing annoys a London-born reader more than to read a (usually) American novel which has clearly been written by someone with a London street atlas open. A London complete with blocks, sidewalks, and cops who blow whistles at jaywalkers.

                – Michael Harvey
                2 days ago






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                You can hear Big Ben everywhere, and nothing exists outside London, except a few castles.

                – Michael Harvey
                2 days ago














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              19







              In general, avoid writing about things you don't know



              You are right to have misgivings about writing on a topic you haven't researched. There are a lot of risks involved in doing this. You risk offending people by accident, you risk misrepresenting real people in your work and you risk being called a lazy writer for not doing your research.



              Know your topic



              With most topics it is nearly impossible to write about it well if you don't know what you are talking about. To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like. Either you have lived there and know if from experience, or you do extensive research on the culture, layout, transport, architecture and climate. To not do this would open yourself up to poor reviews where readers correct all your mistakes. The same rules apply to historical settings.



              Avoid giving details that may be wrong



              If you feel that this is the only setting in which your story could work, then you should do the research. If you don't want to then avoid detailing the setting anymore than necessary. It is possible to write a story with a backdrop of a historical setting without giving details of it.



              Many stories use the World Wars as a backdrop for the story. The Chronicles of Narnia is set during World War II but doesn't go into detail about the war itself. (Not that I'm suggesting C.S. Lewis didn't do his research) You can do a similar thing if you focus your story on a smaller scale, focus on the characters and the narrative rather than the setting.



              Add a disclaimer




              This work of fiction is for entertainment purposes only. Any misrepresentation of actual events is unintentional.




              This won't stop people being offended, but may prevent the backlash.




              I've given some advice on how to get away with writing without research, but my real message is: Do the research. Your writing will be better for it and you might learn a few things along the way that you would like to include.






              share|improve this answer















              In general, avoid writing about things you don't know



              You are right to have misgivings about writing on a topic you haven't researched. There are a lot of risks involved in doing this. You risk offending people by accident, you risk misrepresenting real people in your work and you risk being called a lazy writer for not doing your research.



              Know your topic



              With most topics it is nearly impossible to write about it well if you don't know what you are talking about. To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like. Either you have lived there and know if from experience, or you do extensive research on the culture, layout, transport, architecture and climate. To not do this would open yourself up to poor reviews where readers correct all your mistakes. The same rules apply to historical settings.



              Avoid giving details that may be wrong



              If you feel that this is the only setting in which your story could work, then you should do the research. If you don't want to then avoid detailing the setting anymore than necessary. It is possible to write a story with a backdrop of a historical setting without giving details of it.



              Many stories use the World Wars as a backdrop for the story. The Chronicles of Narnia is set during World War II but doesn't go into detail about the war itself. (Not that I'm suggesting C.S. Lewis didn't do his research) You can do a similar thing if you focus your story on a smaller scale, focus on the characters and the narrative rather than the setting.



              Add a disclaimer




              This work of fiction is for entertainment purposes only. Any misrepresentation of actual events is unintentional.




              This won't stop people being offended, but may prevent the backlash.




              I've given some advice on how to get away with writing without research, but my real message is: Do the research. Your writing will be better for it and you might learn a few things along the way that you would like to include.







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                Do note that The Chronicles of Narnia were published 1950-56; not much research into WWII would have been needed by any adult then living in England, as CSL was. Also the inital draft dates to 1939, which may have something to do with the lack of WWII detail, but mostly WWII is a bit of background not significant to the story.

                – David Siegel
                2 days ago






              • 1





                @DavidSiegel Clearly he had done a lot of research ten years prior. He might not have known then that is was research, but he did do it.

                – Arthur
                2 days ago







              • 4





                @Arthur If you work as a plumber for a decade, and then later write a book where one character's background is that they are a plumber, that doesn't make your earlier career mere "research". It's "first-hand experience", which is superior to research for setting the tone.

                – Chronocidal
                2 days ago







              • 6





                linksassin - "To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like." Nothing annoys a London-born reader more than to read a (usually) American novel which has clearly been written by someone with a London street atlas open. A London complete with blocks, sidewalks, and cops who blow whistles at jaywalkers.

                – Michael Harvey
                2 days ago






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                You can hear Big Ben everywhere, and nothing exists outside London, except a few castles.

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                Do note that The Chronicles of Narnia were published 1950-56; not much research into WWII would have been needed by any adult then living in England, as CSL was. Also the inital draft dates to 1939, which may have something to do with the lack of WWII detail, but mostly WWII is a bit of background not significant to the story.

                – David Siegel
                2 days ago






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                @DavidSiegel Clearly he had done a lot of research ten years prior. He might not have known then that is was research, but he did do it.

                – Arthur
                2 days ago







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                @Arthur If you work as a plumber for a decade, and then later write a book where one character's background is that they are a plumber, that doesn't make your earlier career mere "research". It's "first-hand experience", which is superior to research for setting the tone.

                – Chronocidal
                2 days ago







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                linksassin - "To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like." Nothing annoys a London-born reader more than to read a (usually) American novel which has clearly been written by someone with a London street atlas open. A London complete with blocks, sidewalks, and cops who blow whistles at jaywalkers.

                – Michael Harvey
                2 days ago






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                You can hear Big Ben everywhere, and nothing exists outside London, except a few castles.

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              Do note that The Chronicles of Narnia were published 1950-56; not much research into WWII would have been needed by any adult then living in England, as CSL was. Also the inital draft dates to 1939, which may have something to do with the lack of WWII detail, but mostly WWII is a bit of background not significant to the story.

              – David Siegel
              2 days ago





              Do note that The Chronicles of Narnia were published 1950-56; not much research into WWII would have been needed by any adult then living in England, as CSL was. Also the inital draft dates to 1939, which may have something to do with the lack of WWII detail, but mostly WWII is a bit of background not significant to the story.

              – David Siegel
              2 days ago




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              @DavidSiegel Clearly he had done a lot of research ten years prior. He might not have known then that is was research, but he did do it.

              – Arthur
              2 days ago






              @DavidSiegel Clearly he had done a lot of research ten years prior. He might not have known then that is was research, but he did do it.

              – Arthur
              2 days ago





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              @Arthur If you work as a plumber for a decade, and then later write a book where one character's background is that they are a plumber, that doesn't make your earlier career mere "research". It's "first-hand experience", which is superior to research for setting the tone.

              – Chronocidal
              2 days ago






              @Arthur If you work as a plumber for a decade, and then later write a book where one character's background is that they are a plumber, that doesn't make your earlier career mere "research". It's "first-hand experience", which is superior to research for setting the tone.

              – Chronocidal
              2 days ago





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              linksassin - "To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like." Nothing annoys a London-born reader more than to read a (usually) American novel which has clearly been written by someone with a London street atlas open. A London complete with blocks, sidewalks, and cops who blow whistles at jaywalkers.

              – Michael Harvey
              2 days ago





              linksassin - "To write a good story set in London you need to know what London is like." Nothing annoys a London-born reader more than to read a (usually) American novel which has clearly been written by someone with a London street atlas open. A London complete with blocks, sidewalks, and cops who blow whistles at jaywalkers.

              – Michael Harvey
              2 days ago




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              You can hear Big Ben everywhere, and nothing exists outside London, except a few castles.

              – Michael Harvey
              2 days ago






              You can hear Big Ben everywhere, and nothing exists outside London, except a few castles.

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              Just don't.



              You have a good ten thousand years of (semi) recorded history to choose from, in what is now hundreds of countries and multiple continents. There are many places and times you can pick that most people would know nothing about and you can get away with making stuff up.



              Don't pick an event that has deep meaning for a very large number of people and is studied and commemorated by a good subset of them. If you're lucky, the worst that will happen is that people will think you're disrespectful.



              Remember, a fair number of people out there believe the Holocaust never happened (or was a fraction of what it was in reality) and so they make up stories to downplay it. It doesn't matter if you think you're going to make it seem worse, the fact is that you'll be making up stories (and I don't mean ordinary fiction) and calling them history, and that's not okay.



              Also, if you don't do the research, how do you know if your version is "worse?" Chances are, as other answers have pointed out, that you can't fathom the horrors of the actual Holocaust. I doubt anyone can without having lived it or learned about it from people who have.



              As for other historical events, it depends. For events without a lot of attached emotion, if you get some things wrong, most people won't notice and some people will and will laugh at you. If you can live with that, then go for it.



              Every author will mess up here and there and nearly every author will also make choices they know are wrong. I just posted a question where I am using a song written in a language that didn't even come into existence until a good 400 years after my setting.



              But that's very different from deciding to be ignorant. Why would you want to use a large important event so recent that living people were actually there, as a...backdrop? tragic setting? life lesson? I can't even fathom what makes you think this is a good idea.






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              • I usually don't agree with Cyn.. But yes, what he said. Even if you were my worst enemy, I would still urge you to leave this story idea alone. Nothing good will come of it.

                – ashleylee
                17 hours ago












              • @ashleylee Not sure how to react to that. On several levels. But okay.

                – Cyn
                8 hours ago















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              Just don't.



              You have a good ten thousand years of (semi) recorded history to choose from, in what is now hundreds of countries and multiple continents. There are many places and times you can pick that most people would know nothing about and you can get away with making stuff up.



              Don't pick an event that has deep meaning for a very large number of people and is studied and commemorated by a good subset of them. If you're lucky, the worst that will happen is that people will think you're disrespectful.



              Remember, a fair number of people out there believe the Holocaust never happened (or was a fraction of what it was in reality) and so they make up stories to downplay it. It doesn't matter if you think you're going to make it seem worse, the fact is that you'll be making up stories (and I don't mean ordinary fiction) and calling them history, and that's not okay.



              Also, if you don't do the research, how do you know if your version is "worse?" Chances are, as other answers have pointed out, that you can't fathom the horrors of the actual Holocaust. I doubt anyone can without having lived it or learned about it from people who have.



              As for other historical events, it depends. For events without a lot of attached emotion, if you get some things wrong, most people won't notice and some people will and will laugh at you. If you can live with that, then go for it.



              Every author will mess up here and there and nearly every author will also make choices they know are wrong. I just posted a question where I am using a song written in a language that didn't even come into existence until a good 400 years after my setting.



              But that's very different from deciding to be ignorant. Why would you want to use a large important event so recent that living people were actually there, as a...backdrop? tragic setting? life lesson? I can't even fathom what makes you think this is a good idea.






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              • I usually don't agree with Cyn.. But yes, what he said. Even if you were my worst enemy, I would still urge you to leave this story idea alone. Nothing good will come of it.

                – ashleylee
                17 hours ago












              • @ashleylee Not sure how to react to that. On several levels. But okay.

                – Cyn
                8 hours ago













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              Just don't.



              You have a good ten thousand years of (semi) recorded history to choose from, in what is now hundreds of countries and multiple continents. There are many places and times you can pick that most people would know nothing about and you can get away with making stuff up.



              Don't pick an event that has deep meaning for a very large number of people and is studied and commemorated by a good subset of them. If you're lucky, the worst that will happen is that people will think you're disrespectful.



              Remember, a fair number of people out there believe the Holocaust never happened (or was a fraction of what it was in reality) and so they make up stories to downplay it. It doesn't matter if you think you're going to make it seem worse, the fact is that you'll be making up stories (and I don't mean ordinary fiction) and calling them history, and that's not okay.



              Also, if you don't do the research, how do you know if your version is "worse?" Chances are, as other answers have pointed out, that you can't fathom the horrors of the actual Holocaust. I doubt anyone can without having lived it or learned about it from people who have.



              As for other historical events, it depends. For events without a lot of attached emotion, if you get some things wrong, most people won't notice and some people will and will laugh at you. If you can live with that, then go for it.



              Every author will mess up here and there and nearly every author will also make choices they know are wrong. I just posted a question where I am using a song written in a language that didn't even come into existence until a good 400 years after my setting.



              But that's very different from deciding to be ignorant. Why would you want to use a large important event so recent that living people were actually there, as a...backdrop? tragic setting? life lesson? I can't even fathom what makes you think this is a good idea.






              share|improve this answer













              Just don't.



              You have a good ten thousand years of (semi) recorded history to choose from, in what is now hundreds of countries and multiple continents. There are many places and times you can pick that most people would know nothing about and you can get away with making stuff up.



              Don't pick an event that has deep meaning for a very large number of people and is studied and commemorated by a good subset of them. If you're lucky, the worst that will happen is that people will think you're disrespectful.



              Remember, a fair number of people out there believe the Holocaust never happened (or was a fraction of what it was in reality) and so they make up stories to downplay it. It doesn't matter if you think you're going to make it seem worse, the fact is that you'll be making up stories (and I don't mean ordinary fiction) and calling them history, and that's not okay.



              Also, if you don't do the research, how do you know if your version is "worse?" Chances are, as other answers have pointed out, that you can't fathom the horrors of the actual Holocaust. I doubt anyone can without having lived it or learned about it from people who have.



              As for other historical events, it depends. For events without a lot of attached emotion, if you get some things wrong, most people won't notice and some people will and will laugh at you. If you can live with that, then go for it.



              Every author will mess up here and there and nearly every author will also make choices they know are wrong. I just posted a question where I am using a song written in a language that didn't even come into existence until a good 400 years after my setting.



              But that's very different from deciding to be ignorant. Why would you want to use a large important event so recent that living people were actually there, as a...backdrop? tragic setting? life lesson? I can't even fathom what makes you think this is a good idea.







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              • I usually don't agree with Cyn.. But yes, what he said. Even if you were my worst enemy, I would still urge you to leave this story idea alone. Nothing good will come of it.

                – ashleylee
                17 hours ago












              • @ashleylee Not sure how to react to that. On several levels. But okay.

                – Cyn
                8 hours ago

















              • I usually don't agree with Cyn.. But yes, what he said. Even if you were my worst enemy, I would still urge you to leave this story idea alone. Nothing good will come of it.

                – ashleylee
                17 hours ago












              • @ashleylee Not sure how to react to that. On several levels. But okay.

                – Cyn
                8 hours ago
















              I usually don't agree with Cyn.. But yes, what he said. Even if you were my worst enemy, I would still urge you to leave this story idea alone. Nothing good will come of it.

              – ashleylee
              17 hours ago






              I usually don't agree with Cyn.. But yes, what he said. Even if you were my worst enemy, I would still urge you to leave this story idea alone. Nothing good will come of it.

              – ashleylee
              17 hours ago














              @ashleylee Not sure how to react to that. On several levels. But okay.

              – Cyn
              8 hours ago





              @ashleylee Not sure how to react to that. On several levels. But okay.

              – Cyn
              8 hours ago











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              If you don't want to do the research --and I sympathize with that --then you are not writing ABOUT a historical event, you are writing INSPIRED by a historical event. In that case, you and your readers would be best served by you presenting your story consistent with what it really is. So don't write about the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, write about "The Troubles" in fascist Ruritania. That way you're making no promises of historical accuracy, and can freely imagine your own scenario, taking as much or as little inspiration from history as you want.



              If you are writing about history, even if fictionalized, then you'll want to make all the details that aren't specific to your actual story and narrative as accurate as you can. The stakes and the scrutiny are greatly raised in the case of something like the Holocaust, still on the edges of living memory, affecting millions of people, horrible at a grand scale, and inextricably tied to politics, race, religion, and any number of other hot-button issues. Not doing your due diligence here would quite rightly expose you to charges of cheap exploitation of a terrible tragedy.



              As a side note, as someone who personally does NOT enjoy the research, I've learned it really is not avoidable. Even when writing fantasy, you need to make the world seem real, and that requires work, whether that is creative world-building, real-world research, or a combination of the two.






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                I'd avoid calling it "The Troubles" unless I meant The Troubles. Conflating The Troubles with The Holocaust would be... problematic.

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              If you don't want to do the research --and I sympathize with that --then you are not writing ABOUT a historical event, you are writing INSPIRED by a historical event. In that case, you and your readers would be best served by you presenting your story consistent with what it really is. So don't write about the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, write about "The Troubles" in fascist Ruritania. That way you're making no promises of historical accuracy, and can freely imagine your own scenario, taking as much or as little inspiration from history as you want.



              If you are writing about history, even if fictionalized, then you'll want to make all the details that aren't specific to your actual story and narrative as accurate as you can. The stakes and the scrutiny are greatly raised in the case of something like the Holocaust, still on the edges of living memory, affecting millions of people, horrible at a grand scale, and inextricably tied to politics, race, religion, and any number of other hot-button issues. Not doing your due diligence here would quite rightly expose you to charges of cheap exploitation of a terrible tragedy.



              As a side note, as someone who personally does NOT enjoy the research, I've learned it really is not avoidable. Even when writing fantasy, you need to make the world seem real, and that requires work, whether that is creative world-building, real-world research, or a combination of the two.






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                I'd avoid calling it "The Troubles" unless I meant The Troubles. Conflating The Troubles with The Holocaust would be... problematic.

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              If you don't want to do the research --and I sympathize with that --then you are not writing ABOUT a historical event, you are writing INSPIRED by a historical event. In that case, you and your readers would be best served by you presenting your story consistent with what it really is. So don't write about the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, write about "The Troubles" in fascist Ruritania. That way you're making no promises of historical accuracy, and can freely imagine your own scenario, taking as much or as little inspiration from history as you want.



              If you are writing about history, even if fictionalized, then you'll want to make all the details that aren't specific to your actual story and narrative as accurate as you can. The stakes and the scrutiny are greatly raised in the case of something like the Holocaust, still on the edges of living memory, affecting millions of people, horrible at a grand scale, and inextricably tied to politics, race, religion, and any number of other hot-button issues. Not doing your due diligence here would quite rightly expose you to charges of cheap exploitation of a terrible tragedy.



              As a side note, as someone who personally does NOT enjoy the research, I've learned it really is not avoidable. Even when writing fantasy, you need to make the world seem real, and that requires work, whether that is creative world-building, real-world research, or a combination of the two.






              share|improve this answer













              If you don't want to do the research --and I sympathize with that --then you are not writing ABOUT a historical event, you are writing INSPIRED by a historical event. In that case, you and your readers would be best served by you presenting your story consistent with what it really is. So don't write about the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, write about "The Troubles" in fascist Ruritania. That way you're making no promises of historical accuracy, and can freely imagine your own scenario, taking as much or as little inspiration from history as you want.



              If you are writing about history, even if fictionalized, then you'll want to make all the details that aren't specific to your actual story and narrative as accurate as you can. The stakes and the scrutiny are greatly raised in the case of something like the Holocaust, still on the edges of living memory, affecting millions of people, horrible at a grand scale, and inextricably tied to politics, race, religion, and any number of other hot-button issues. Not doing your due diligence here would quite rightly expose you to charges of cheap exploitation of a terrible tragedy.



              As a side note, as someone who personally does NOT enjoy the research, I've learned it really is not avoidable. Even when writing fantasy, you need to make the world seem real, and that requires work, whether that is creative world-building, real-world research, or a combination of the two.







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                I'd avoid calling it "The Troubles" unless I meant The Troubles. Conflating The Troubles with The Holocaust would be... problematic.

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                yesterday












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                I'd avoid calling it "The Troubles" unless I meant The Troubles. Conflating The Troubles with The Holocaust would be... problematic.

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                yesterday







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              I'd avoid calling it "The Troubles" unless I meant The Troubles. Conflating The Troubles with The Holocaust would be... problematic.

              – Lofty Withers
              yesterday





              I'd avoid calling it "The Troubles" unless I meant The Troubles. Conflating The Troubles with The Holocaust would be... problematic.

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              If you want to write HISTORICAL fiction. The history is a prerequisite. I absolutely agree with all of the comments about causing offense and being just respectful (especially given the magnitude and the cultural/ Historical/ emotional significance of the Holocaust). Additionally, from a purely writing perspective, you need to truly understand a place and time period to be able to bring emotional reality to it. You need to assume that many of your readers will actually know something about the topic. Ask yourself what your intended audience is. Are you really hoping to be read by people dumb enough not to notice that you don't know what you are talking about??? Probably not.



              If you don't want to do the historical research, consider writing an entirely fictitious story that has a metaphorical connection to the historical period of your choice. There are many ways of doing this. I am pretty sure that J.K. Rowling did not start writing Harry Potter thinking "I have a great extended metaphor for Fascism." However, that historical and ideological context certainly provided fuel for her storytelling. Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" employs the more complex approach of intentionally applying this technique in reverse, using the Salem Witch Trials as a metaphor for the McCarthy Hearings. If you do not want to immerse yourself in a real historical time and place, an entirely fictitious one could allow you to tap into whatever you were hoping to get from the historical setting without tying you to the facts.



              Otherwise- do your research!






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                If you want to write HISTORICAL fiction. The history is a prerequisite. I absolutely agree with all of the comments about causing offense and being just respectful (especially given the magnitude and the cultural/ Historical/ emotional significance of the Holocaust). Additionally, from a purely writing perspective, you need to truly understand a place and time period to be able to bring emotional reality to it. You need to assume that many of your readers will actually know something about the topic. Ask yourself what your intended audience is. Are you really hoping to be read by people dumb enough not to notice that you don't know what you are talking about??? Probably not.



                If you don't want to do the historical research, consider writing an entirely fictitious story that has a metaphorical connection to the historical period of your choice. There are many ways of doing this. I am pretty sure that J.K. Rowling did not start writing Harry Potter thinking "I have a great extended metaphor for Fascism." However, that historical and ideological context certainly provided fuel for her storytelling. Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" employs the more complex approach of intentionally applying this technique in reverse, using the Salem Witch Trials as a metaphor for the McCarthy Hearings. If you do not want to immerse yourself in a real historical time and place, an entirely fictitious one could allow you to tap into whatever you were hoping to get from the historical setting without tying you to the facts.



                Otherwise- do your research!






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                  If you want to write HISTORICAL fiction. The history is a prerequisite. I absolutely agree with all of the comments about causing offense and being just respectful (especially given the magnitude and the cultural/ Historical/ emotional significance of the Holocaust). Additionally, from a purely writing perspective, you need to truly understand a place and time period to be able to bring emotional reality to it. You need to assume that many of your readers will actually know something about the topic. Ask yourself what your intended audience is. Are you really hoping to be read by people dumb enough not to notice that you don't know what you are talking about??? Probably not.



                  If you don't want to do the historical research, consider writing an entirely fictitious story that has a metaphorical connection to the historical period of your choice. There are many ways of doing this. I am pretty sure that J.K. Rowling did not start writing Harry Potter thinking "I have a great extended metaphor for Fascism." However, that historical and ideological context certainly provided fuel for her storytelling. Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" employs the more complex approach of intentionally applying this technique in reverse, using the Salem Witch Trials as a metaphor for the McCarthy Hearings. If you do not want to immerse yourself in a real historical time and place, an entirely fictitious one could allow you to tap into whatever you were hoping to get from the historical setting without tying you to the facts.



                  Otherwise- do your research!






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                  If you want to write HISTORICAL fiction. The history is a prerequisite. I absolutely agree with all of the comments about causing offense and being just respectful (especially given the magnitude and the cultural/ Historical/ emotional significance of the Holocaust). Additionally, from a purely writing perspective, you need to truly understand a place and time period to be able to bring emotional reality to it. You need to assume that many of your readers will actually know something about the topic. Ask yourself what your intended audience is. Are you really hoping to be read by people dumb enough not to notice that you don't know what you are talking about??? Probably not.



                  If you don't want to do the historical research, consider writing an entirely fictitious story that has a metaphorical connection to the historical period of your choice. There are many ways of doing this. I am pretty sure that J.K. Rowling did not start writing Harry Potter thinking "I have a great extended metaphor for Fascism." However, that historical and ideological context certainly provided fuel for her storytelling. Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" employs the more complex approach of intentionally applying this technique in reverse, using the Salem Witch Trials as a metaphor for the McCarthy Hearings. If you do not want to immerse yourself in a real historical time and place, an entirely fictitious one could allow you to tap into whatever you were hoping to get from the historical setting without tying you to the facts.



                  Otherwise- do your research!







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                      If you don't want to research the history directly, you may want to look into the historiography -- how the history of something is studied/understood.



                      Often that is why we supermoderns laugh at older works, because they made assumptions we think are silly, but by working from the common narratives of the time, yep, the "Dark Ages" were generally a bad time, instead of a poorly-documented one (well, few were available about that time for ages.)



                      Or a well-publicized Winner's Edit view of history ("Manifest Destiny" was taught in my elementary school as the normal way of the world -- now I realize how colonialist it is/was). Often things such as oral histories were disregarded as not "real" because they weren't the expected "formal" style.



                      Listening to a few podcasts (especially Tides of History and "Our Fake History"), I've learned how historians now incorporate the findings of archeologists and other non-textual documentation to understand the world.




                      before I go deeper, a key point: I'm assuming we ARE dealing with Facts = Facts: no denying it happened, no minimizing 6 million Jews, and about 10 million other victims.




                      So for the Holocaust example - how is it taught in Germany, where (to my in-researched recollection) Nazi imagery is forbidden? How is it taught in countries in Africa, who have had their own genocides, but perhaps little contact with most European history? Was it understood differently?



                      I was profoundly influenced by the book Guns, Germs, and Steel , in which the fact that Europe/Asia is mostly an east-west spreading land-mass, while Africa and the Americas are mostly north-south spreading -- so the commonalities of terrain influenced how abilities and information were shared, creating feedback loops.... What sort of feedback loops influenced the every day European Citizen?



                      Many more Theories of History are available as lenses to use for research. You don't need to research for fiction the same way you do for a History Test, but using these various ways of thinking about research can help give you insights into how you view your world and the world you're focused on, and thus can inspire some characters/scenarios for your book.



                      These theories influence a lot of subgenres: time-travel to kill Hitler? Great Man Theory. Alt-history where the Third Reich expands only so far, and America ignores it? Perhaps it would implode in a societal collapse as it destroyed some of its greatest strengths. Writing about the daily life at start of the Reich -- how did they get from originating universities to this? History of Mentalities. Perhaps it's an outgrowth of the Information Revolution which started earlier than many think...



                      Yes, these links are all Wikipedia -- that's because they're great starting points before deciding how to go deeper. But great fiction isn't just plot and details, but thinking about how the characters think, and how the society thinks, and whether those are in synch or opposition. So research isn't just a chore, or something done to appease nitpickers, but ways of understanding conflict and character in very deep ways. (This is also why fiction-reading leads to great empathy -- a good writer can help you understand why someone would make decisions that might seem impossible.)



                      Good luck! This book sounds hard, but it could be great!






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                        If you don't want to research the history directly, you may want to look into the historiography -- how the history of something is studied/understood.



                        Often that is why we supermoderns laugh at older works, because they made assumptions we think are silly, but by working from the common narratives of the time, yep, the "Dark Ages" were generally a bad time, instead of a poorly-documented one (well, few were available about that time for ages.)



                        Or a well-publicized Winner's Edit view of history ("Manifest Destiny" was taught in my elementary school as the normal way of the world -- now I realize how colonialist it is/was). Often things such as oral histories were disregarded as not "real" because they weren't the expected "formal" style.



                        Listening to a few podcasts (especially Tides of History and "Our Fake History"), I've learned how historians now incorporate the findings of archeologists and other non-textual documentation to understand the world.




                        before I go deeper, a key point: I'm assuming we ARE dealing with Facts = Facts: no denying it happened, no minimizing 6 million Jews, and about 10 million other victims.




                        So for the Holocaust example - how is it taught in Germany, where (to my in-researched recollection) Nazi imagery is forbidden? How is it taught in countries in Africa, who have had their own genocides, but perhaps little contact with most European history? Was it understood differently?



                        I was profoundly influenced by the book Guns, Germs, and Steel , in which the fact that Europe/Asia is mostly an east-west spreading land-mass, while Africa and the Americas are mostly north-south spreading -- so the commonalities of terrain influenced how abilities and information were shared, creating feedback loops.... What sort of feedback loops influenced the every day European Citizen?



                        Many more Theories of History are available as lenses to use for research. You don't need to research for fiction the same way you do for a History Test, but using these various ways of thinking about research can help give you insights into how you view your world and the world you're focused on, and thus can inspire some characters/scenarios for your book.



                        These theories influence a lot of subgenres: time-travel to kill Hitler? Great Man Theory. Alt-history where the Third Reich expands only so far, and America ignores it? Perhaps it would implode in a societal collapse as it destroyed some of its greatest strengths. Writing about the daily life at start of the Reich -- how did they get from originating universities to this? History of Mentalities. Perhaps it's an outgrowth of the Information Revolution which started earlier than many think...



                        Yes, these links are all Wikipedia -- that's because they're great starting points before deciding how to go deeper. But great fiction isn't just plot and details, but thinking about how the characters think, and how the society thinks, and whether those are in synch or opposition. So research isn't just a chore, or something done to appease nitpickers, but ways of understanding conflict and character in very deep ways. (This is also why fiction-reading leads to great empathy -- a good writer can help you understand why someone would make decisions that might seem impossible.)



                        Good luck! This book sounds hard, but it could be great!






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                          If you don't want to research the history directly, you may want to look into the historiography -- how the history of something is studied/understood.



                          Often that is why we supermoderns laugh at older works, because they made assumptions we think are silly, but by working from the common narratives of the time, yep, the "Dark Ages" were generally a bad time, instead of a poorly-documented one (well, few were available about that time for ages.)



                          Or a well-publicized Winner's Edit view of history ("Manifest Destiny" was taught in my elementary school as the normal way of the world -- now I realize how colonialist it is/was). Often things such as oral histories were disregarded as not "real" because they weren't the expected "formal" style.



                          Listening to a few podcasts (especially Tides of History and "Our Fake History"), I've learned how historians now incorporate the findings of archeologists and other non-textual documentation to understand the world.




                          before I go deeper, a key point: I'm assuming we ARE dealing with Facts = Facts: no denying it happened, no minimizing 6 million Jews, and about 10 million other victims.




                          So for the Holocaust example - how is it taught in Germany, where (to my in-researched recollection) Nazi imagery is forbidden? How is it taught in countries in Africa, who have had their own genocides, but perhaps little contact with most European history? Was it understood differently?



                          I was profoundly influenced by the book Guns, Germs, and Steel , in which the fact that Europe/Asia is mostly an east-west spreading land-mass, while Africa and the Americas are mostly north-south spreading -- so the commonalities of terrain influenced how abilities and information were shared, creating feedback loops.... What sort of feedback loops influenced the every day European Citizen?



                          Many more Theories of History are available as lenses to use for research. You don't need to research for fiction the same way you do for a History Test, but using these various ways of thinking about research can help give you insights into how you view your world and the world you're focused on, and thus can inspire some characters/scenarios for your book.



                          These theories influence a lot of subgenres: time-travel to kill Hitler? Great Man Theory. Alt-history where the Third Reich expands only so far, and America ignores it? Perhaps it would implode in a societal collapse as it destroyed some of its greatest strengths. Writing about the daily life at start of the Reich -- how did they get from originating universities to this? History of Mentalities. Perhaps it's an outgrowth of the Information Revolution which started earlier than many think...



                          Yes, these links are all Wikipedia -- that's because they're great starting points before deciding how to go deeper. But great fiction isn't just plot and details, but thinking about how the characters think, and how the society thinks, and whether those are in synch or opposition. So research isn't just a chore, or something done to appease nitpickers, but ways of understanding conflict and character in very deep ways. (This is also why fiction-reading leads to great empathy -- a good writer can help you understand why someone would make decisions that might seem impossible.)



                          Good luck! This book sounds hard, but it could be great!






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                          If you don't want to research the history directly, you may want to look into the historiography -- how the history of something is studied/understood.



                          Often that is why we supermoderns laugh at older works, because they made assumptions we think are silly, but by working from the common narratives of the time, yep, the "Dark Ages" were generally a bad time, instead of a poorly-documented one (well, few were available about that time for ages.)



                          Or a well-publicized Winner's Edit view of history ("Manifest Destiny" was taught in my elementary school as the normal way of the world -- now I realize how colonialist it is/was). Often things such as oral histories were disregarded as not "real" because they weren't the expected "formal" style.



                          Listening to a few podcasts (especially Tides of History and "Our Fake History"), I've learned how historians now incorporate the findings of archeologists and other non-textual documentation to understand the world.




                          before I go deeper, a key point: I'm assuming we ARE dealing with Facts = Facts: no denying it happened, no minimizing 6 million Jews, and about 10 million other victims.




                          So for the Holocaust example - how is it taught in Germany, where (to my in-researched recollection) Nazi imagery is forbidden? How is it taught in countries in Africa, who have had their own genocides, but perhaps little contact with most European history? Was it understood differently?



                          I was profoundly influenced by the book Guns, Germs, and Steel , in which the fact that Europe/Asia is mostly an east-west spreading land-mass, while Africa and the Americas are mostly north-south spreading -- so the commonalities of terrain influenced how abilities and information were shared, creating feedback loops.... What sort of feedback loops influenced the every day European Citizen?



                          Many more Theories of History are available as lenses to use for research. You don't need to research for fiction the same way you do for a History Test, but using these various ways of thinking about research can help give you insights into how you view your world and the world you're focused on, and thus can inspire some characters/scenarios for your book.



                          These theories influence a lot of subgenres: time-travel to kill Hitler? Great Man Theory. Alt-history where the Third Reich expands only so far, and America ignores it? Perhaps it would implode in a societal collapse as it destroyed some of its greatest strengths. Writing about the daily life at start of the Reich -- how did they get from originating universities to this? History of Mentalities. Perhaps it's an outgrowth of the Information Revolution which started earlier than many think...



                          Yes, these links are all Wikipedia -- that's because they're great starting points before deciding how to go deeper. But great fiction isn't just plot and details, but thinking about how the characters think, and how the society thinks, and whether those are in synch or opposition. So research isn't just a chore, or something done to appease nitpickers, but ways of understanding conflict and character in very deep ways. (This is also why fiction-reading leads to great empathy -- a good writer can help you understand why someone would make decisions that might seem impossible.)



                          Good luck! This book sounds hard, but it could be great!







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                              I'm annoyed when an author gets the streets wrong in a city I know (Commonwealth Avenue is not in Cambridge) or elementary physics wrong (16 feet per second per second isn't the same as 16 feet per second.)



                              Real examples, but I've forgotten the titles of the novels.



                              Mischaracterizing the holocaust would be much more than annoying.






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                                I'm annoyed when an author gets the streets wrong in a city I know (Commonwealth Avenue is not in Cambridge) or elementary physics wrong (16 feet per second per second isn't the same as 16 feet per second.)



                                Real examples, but I've forgotten the titles of the novels.



                                Mischaracterizing the holocaust would be much more than annoying.






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                                  I'm annoyed when an author gets the streets wrong in a city I know (Commonwealth Avenue is not in Cambridge) or elementary physics wrong (16 feet per second per second isn't the same as 16 feet per second.)



                                  Real examples, but I've forgotten the titles of the novels.



                                  Mischaracterizing the holocaust would be much more than annoying.






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                                  I'm annoyed when an author gets the streets wrong in a city I know (Commonwealth Avenue is not in Cambridge) or elementary physics wrong (16 feet per second per second isn't the same as 16 feet per second.)



                                  Real examples, but I've forgotten the titles of the novels.



                                  Mischaracterizing the holocaust would be much more than annoying.







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                                      Any writer who doesn't want school children to point out errors in his work should do the necessary historical research.



                                      Isaac Asimov once wrote an introduction to a book by L. Sprague de Camp describing de Camp's research for his historical works. But sometimes de Camp's research failed him.



                                      The protagonist of Lest Darkness Fall (1939) is transported to Rome in the 530s. He asks for directions from the Pantheon to the Forum and and is told to turn left where he should turn right. He arrives at the Forum anyway and sees that columns have been removed from the pagan temples. As far as I can tell from my historical reading most or all of the Forum temples still had their columns for centuries afterward. There is another scene where the standards of the Roman army are described as having the inscription "S.P.Q.R.", which many people believe they did, even though there is no evidence that they ever did, let alone in the 530s.



                                      The Lindsay Davis novel The Silver Pigs (1989) has Roman "detective" Marcus Didius Falco investigate a conspiracy in AD 70. There is a scene set at a imperial function in Nero's Golden House, but it is my impression that Vespasian never used the Golden House, in order to appear humble. One scene is set in the vestibule with the colossal statue of Nero. The vestibule is described as a room with a roof, but archaeologists usually think the vestibule was a open air courtyard or even a recess in the palace facade.



                                      P.C. Wren's Beau Geste (1924) gives a rather accurate impression of life in the French Foreign Legion, but has a number of historical inaccuracies. One scene establishes the date as after the death of Queen Victoria on 22 January 1901. In another scene characters reach Agades before the official first European visitors, the French mission of 1906, putting the fictional date sometime in 1901-1906. The French actually annexed Agades in 1900.



                                      But Heinrich Barth reached Agades in October 1850.




                                      Today a memorial tablet honours him as the first European to have ever entered the city.




                                      One of the problems with locating the fictional Fort Zinderneuf is that it is said to have been established in the Air country, years before the French reached Agades. But Agades was the capital of Air for centuries. So Fort Zinderneuf has to be somewhere in the Air country far enough from Agades that the French would build a fort there years before they annexed Agades, among other requirements.



                                      Another historical inaccuracy is the Geste brothers participating in an expedition and battle against Tauregs with an entire French brigade, which was far larger than any French expedition into the Sahara.



                                      The sequel, Beau Sabreur, happens at an inconsistent date. German agents plot to drive the French out of the Sahara, and mention Wilhelm II's visit to Jerusalem when a great breech was made in the city wall for him to enter. But actually the breech being made in the city walls is an urban legend.



                                      So the date of Beau Sabreur should be between Wilhelm II's visit to Jerusalem in 1898 and the final German defeat in WWI in 1918. But an American women visiting the Sahara has romantic notions about desert sheiks from movies she has seen, and as far as I know the first romantic movies about desert sheiks were The Sheik (1921) and The Son of the Sheik (1926).



                                      But Beau Sabreur clearly ends just a few years after Beau Geste, and thus probably before 1910. So it has a very inconsistent date.



                                      On the other hand, as far as I can tell one doesn't have to do any historical research at all, or can totally ignore your historical research, if you write for movies and TV. At least that often seems the case when watching movies and TV shows when I know anything at all about the historical periods.



                                      For example, I haven't seen Hostiles (2017) but it is said to be a good movie. But this synopsis seems to be historically implausible.




                                      In 1892, after nearly two decades of fighting the Cheyenne, the Apache, and the Comanche natives, the United States Cavalry Captain and war hero, Joseph Blocker, is ordered to escort the ailing Cheyenne chief, Yellow Hawk--his most despised enemy--to his ancestral home in Montana's Valley of the Bears. Nauseated with a baleful anger, Joseph's unwelcome final assignment in the feral American landscape is further complicated, when the widowed settler, Rosalie Quaid, is taken in by the band of soldiers, as aggressive packs of marauding Comanches who are still on the warpath, are thirsty for blood. In a territory crawling with hostiles, can the seasoned Captain do his duty one last time?
                                      Written by Nick Riganas




                                      https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5478478/2



                                      And anyone with a basic knowledge of real life Indian Wars history knows there weren't any hostile Comanches roaming the plains in 1892.



                                      And it seems to me it would have been really easy for the scriptwriter to select a fictional year - 1872, for example - when hostile Comanche warriors were a danger.



                                      The Fantasy Island episode "My Fair Pharaoh/The Power" (10 May 1980) featured a historical character portrayed by an actor four times as old as the character ever lived to be. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0577765/3



                                      And examples of errors in television can be found even in allegedly non fictional TV programs. For example, the Bone Detectives episode "The Warlord of Bamburgh Castle" (24 March 2008), was about Edwin (killed AD 633), the first Christian king of Northumbria in Britain. And Edwin probably did have a stronghold at Bamburgh.



                                      https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1192189/?ref_=ttep_ep124



                                      So filming scenes at Bamburgh Castles was a good idea. Except that they forgot to mention that the present stone castle there was built centuries after Edwin's time and rebuilt about 1900.



                                      And they said that Edwin's enemies Penda and Cadwallon were his enemies because they were pagans and Edwin converted to Christianity. Penda, king of Mercia, was a pagan, but members of his family converted to Christianity and Penda had political reasons to be Edwin's enemy.



                                      Cadwallon, king of Gwynedd and probably king of the Britons, was a Christian from a family which had been Christian for centuries and produced a number of British saints, including his own son Cadwallader the Blessed. Cadwallon attacked Edwin because Edwin had invaded Gwynedd and driven Cadwallon into exile in Ireland.



                                      I wonder what Mr. Evan Vaughn Anwyl of Tywyn thought if he watched that episode. Why should he care? Because he is probably the present day heir of Cadwallon, and since a legend claimed that Cadwallon married Penda's sister, possibly also the heir of Penda.



                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwyl_of_Tywyn_family5



                                      The first historical error I ever noticed was when I was in an elementary school which I left when I was eleven. The class watched a sort of television documentary on the Little Bighorn. It mentioned that Custer sent a detachment under Captain Benteen one way and a detachment under major Reno another way and rode on with the rest of his men in a third direction. So far so good. But then it said that Custer reunited with Benteen and Reno before making his last stand.



                                      And that didn't sound correct to me. So I checked out a couple of books about Custer and Custer's Last Stand from the school library and the public library and read that Reno and Benteen did not, repeat not, reunite with Custer before Custer's Last Stand, which is why most of their men survived.



                                      Being an introvert, I didn't bother to tell anyone. But any kid who was more extroverted than I was might have complained to the teacher about that error, which could have resulted in some humiliation for the creators of the documentary.



                                      So any writer of fiction or non fiction who doesn't want to be humiliated by school children pointing out his errors should do the necessary historical, scientific, geographic, etc. research.






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                                        Any writer who doesn't want school children to point out errors in his work should do the necessary historical research.



                                        Isaac Asimov once wrote an introduction to a book by L. Sprague de Camp describing de Camp's research for his historical works. But sometimes de Camp's research failed him.



                                        The protagonist of Lest Darkness Fall (1939) is transported to Rome in the 530s. He asks for directions from the Pantheon to the Forum and and is told to turn left where he should turn right. He arrives at the Forum anyway and sees that columns have been removed from the pagan temples. As far as I can tell from my historical reading most or all of the Forum temples still had their columns for centuries afterward. There is another scene where the standards of the Roman army are described as having the inscription "S.P.Q.R.", which many people believe they did, even though there is no evidence that they ever did, let alone in the 530s.



                                        The Lindsay Davis novel The Silver Pigs (1989) has Roman "detective" Marcus Didius Falco investigate a conspiracy in AD 70. There is a scene set at a imperial function in Nero's Golden House, but it is my impression that Vespasian never used the Golden House, in order to appear humble. One scene is set in the vestibule with the colossal statue of Nero. The vestibule is described as a room with a roof, but archaeologists usually think the vestibule was a open air courtyard or even a recess in the palace facade.



                                        P.C. Wren's Beau Geste (1924) gives a rather accurate impression of life in the French Foreign Legion, but has a number of historical inaccuracies. One scene establishes the date as after the death of Queen Victoria on 22 January 1901. In another scene characters reach Agades before the official first European visitors, the French mission of 1906, putting the fictional date sometime in 1901-1906. The French actually annexed Agades in 1900.



                                        But Heinrich Barth reached Agades in October 1850.




                                        Today a memorial tablet honours him as the first European to have ever entered the city.




                                        One of the problems with locating the fictional Fort Zinderneuf is that it is said to have been established in the Air country, years before the French reached Agades. But Agades was the capital of Air for centuries. So Fort Zinderneuf has to be somewhere in the Air country far enough from Agades that the French would build a fort there years before they annexed Agades, among other requirements.



                                        Another historical inaccuracy is the Geste brothers participating in an expedition and battle against Tauregs with an entire French brigade, which was far larger than any French expedition into the Sahara.



                                        The sequel, Beau Sabreur, happens at an inconsistent date. German agents plot to drive the French out of the Sahara, and mention Wilhelm II's visit to Jerusalem when a great breech was made in the city wall for him to enter. But actually the breech being made in the city walls is an urban legend.



                                        So the date of Beau Sabreur should be between Wilhelm II's visit to Jerusalem in 1898 and the final German defeat in WWI in 1918. But an American women visiting the Sahara has romantic notions about desert sheiks from movies she has seen, and as far as I know the first romantic movies about desert sheiks were The Sheik (1921) and The Son of the Sheik (1926).



                                        But Beau Sabreur clearly ends just a few years after Beau Geste, and thus probably before 1910. So it has a very inconsistent date.



                                        On the other hand, as far as I can tell one doesn't have to do any historical research at all, or can totally ignore your historical research, if you write for movies and TV. At least that often seems the case when watching movies and TV shows when I know anything at all about the historical periods.



                                        For example, I haven't seen Hostiles (2017) but it is said to be a good movie. But this synopsis seems to be historically implausible.




                                        In 1892, after nearly two decades of fighting the Cheyenne, the Apache, and the Comanche natives, the United States Cavalry Captain and war hero, Joseph Blocker, is ordered to escort the ailing Cheyenne chief, Yellow Hawk--his most despised enemy--to his ancestral home in Montana's Valley of the Bears. Nauseated with a baleful anger, Joseph's unwelcome final assignment in the feral American landscape is further complicated, when the widowed settler, Rosalie Quaid, is taken in by the band of soldiers, as aggressive packs of marauding Comanches who are still on the warpath, are thirsty for blood. In a territory crawling with hostiles, can the seasoned Captain do his duty one last time?
                                        Written by Nick Riganas




                                        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5478478/2



                                        And anyone with a basic knowledge of real life Indian Wars history knows there weren't any hostile Comanches roaming the plains in 1892.



                                        And it seems to me it would have been really easy for the scriptwriter to select a fictional year - 1872, for example - when hostile Comanche warriors were a danger.



                                        The Fantasy Island episode "My Fair Pharaoh/The Power" (10 May 1980) featured a historical character portrayed by an actor four times as old as the character ever lived to be. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0577765/3



                                        And examples of errors in television can be found even in allegedly non fictional TV programs. For example, the Bone Detectives episode "The Warlord of Bamburgh Castle" (24 March 2008), was about Edwin (killed AD 633), the first Christian king of Northumbria in Britain. And Edwin probably did have a stronghold at Bamburgh.



                                        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1192189/?ref_=ttep_ep124



                                        So filming scenes at Bamburgh Castles was a good idea. Except that they forgot to mention that the present stone castle there was built centuries after Edwin's time and rebuilt about 1900.



                                        And they said that Edwin's enemies Penda and Cadwallon were his enemies because they were pagans and Edwin converted to Christianity. Penda, king of Mercia, was a pagan, but members of his family converted to Christianity and Penda had political reasons to be Edwin's enemy.



                                        Cadwallon, king of Gwynedd and probably king of the Britons, was a Christian from a family which had been Christian for centuries and produced a number of British saints, including his own son Cadwallader the Blessed. Cadwallon attacked Edwin because Edwin had invaded Gwynedd and driven Cadwallon into exile in Ireland.



                                        I wonder what Mr. Evan Vaughn Anwyl of Tywyn thought if he watched that episode. Why should he care? Because he is probably the present day heir of Cadwallon, and since a legend claimed that Cadwallon married Penda's sister, possibly also the heir of Penda.



                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwyl_of_Tywyn_family5



                                        The first historical error I ever noticed was when I was in an elementary school which I left when I was eleven. The class watched a sort of television documentary on the Little Bighorn. It mentioned that Custer sent a detachment under Captain Benteen one way and a detachment under major Reno another way and rode on with the rest of his men in a third direction. So far so good. But then it said that Custer reunited with Benteen and Reno before making his last stand.



                                        And that didn't sound correct to me. So I checked out a couple of books about Custer and Custer's Last Stand from the school library and the public library and read that Reno and Benteen did not, repeat not, reunite with Custer before Custer's Last Stand, which is why most of their men survived.



                                        Being an introvert, I didn't bother to tell anyone. But any kid who was more extroverted than I was might have complained to the teacher about that error, which could have resulted in some humiliation for the creators of the documentary.



                                        So any writer of fiction or non fiction who doesn't want to be humiliated by school children pointing out his errors should do the necessary historical, scientific, geographic, etc. research.






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                                          Any writer who doesn't want school children to point out errors in his work should do the necessary historical research.



                                          Isaac Asimov once wrote an introduction to a book by L. Sprague de Camp describing de Camp's research for his historical works. But sometimes de Camp's research failed him.



                                          The protagonist of Lest Darkness Fall (1939) is transported to Rome in the 530s. He asks for directions from the Pantheon to the Forum and and is told to turn left where he should turn right. He arrives at the Forum anyway and sees that columns have been removed from the pagan temples. As far as I can tell from my historical reading most or all of the Forum temples still had their columns for centuries afterward. There is another scene where the standards of the Roman army are described as having the inscription "S.P.Q.R.", which many people believe they did, even though there is no evidence that they ever did, let alone in the 530s.



                                          The Lindsay Davis novel The Silver Pigs (1989) has Roman "detective" Marcus Didius Falco investigate a conspiracy in AD 70. There is a scene set at a imperial function in Nero's Golden House, but it is my impression that Vespasian never used the Golden House, in order to appear humble. One scene is set in the vestibule with the colossal statue of Nero. The vestibule is described as a room with a roof, but archaeologists usually think the vestibule was a open air courtyard or even a recess in the palace facade.



                                          P.C. Wren's Beau Geste (1924) gives a rather accurate impression of life in the French Foreign Legion, but has a number of historical inaccuracies. One scene establishes the date as after the death of Queen Victoria on 22 January 1901. In another scene characters reach Agades before the official first European visitors, the French mission of 1906, putting the fictional date sometime in 1901-1906. The French actually annexed Agades in 1900.



                                          But Heinrich Barth reached Agades in October 1850.




                                          Today a memorial tablet honours him as the first European to have ever entered the city.




                                          One of the problems with locating the fictional Fort Zinderneuf is that it is said to have been established in the Air country, years before the French reached Agades. But Agades was the capital of Air for centuries. So Fort Zinderneuf has to be somewhere in the Air country far enough from Agades that the French would build a fort there years before they annexed Agades, among other requirements.



                                          Another historical inaccuracy is the Geste brothers participating in an expedition and battle against Tauregs with an entire French brigade, which was far larger than any French expedition into the Sahara.



                                          The sequel, Beau Sabreur, happens at an inconsistent date. German agents plot to drive the French out of the Sahara, and mention Wilhelm II's visit to Jerusalem when a great breech was made in the city wall for him to enter. But actually the breech being made in the city walls is an urban legend.



                                          So the date of Beau Sabreur should be between Wilhelm II's visit to Jerusalem in 1898 and the final German defeat in WWI in 1918. But an American women visiting the Sahara has romantic notions about desert sheiks from movies she has seen, and as far as I know the first romantic movies about desert sheiks were The Sheik (1921) and The Son of the Sheik (1926).



                                          But Beau Sabreur clearly ends just a few years after Beau Geste, and thus probably before 1910. So it has a very inconsistent date.



                                          On the other hand, as far as I can tell one doesn't have to do any historical research at all, or can totally ignore your historical research, if you write for movies and TV. At least that often seems the case when watching movies and TV shows when I know anything at all about the historical periods.



                                          For example, I haven't seen Hostiles (2017) but it is said to be a good movie. But this synopsis seems to be historically implausible.




                                          In 1892, after nearly two decades of fighting the Cheyenne, the Apache, and the Comanche natives, the United States Cavalry Captain and war hero, Joseph Blocker, is ordered to escort the ailing Cheyenne chief, Yellow Hawk--his most despised enemy--to his ancestral home in Montana's Valley of the Bears. Nauseated with a baleful anger, Joseph's unwelcome final assignment in the feral American landscape is further complicated, when the widowed settler, Rosalie Quaid, is taken in by the band of soldiers, as aggressive packs of marauding Comanches who are still on the warpath, are thirsty for blood. In a territory crawling with hostiles, can the seasoned Captain do his duty one last time?
                                          Written by Nick Riganas




                                          https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5478478/2



                                          And anyone with a basic knowledge of real life Indian Wars history knows there weren't any hostile Comanches roaming the plains in 1892.



                                          And it seems to me it would have been really easy for the scriptwriter to select a fictional year - 1872, for example - when hostile Comanche warriors were a danger.



                                          The Fantasy Island episode "My Fair Pharaoh/The Power" (10 May 1980) featured a historical character portrayed by an actor four times as old as the character ever lived to be. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0577765/3



                                          And examples of errors in television can be found even in allegedly non fictional TV programs. For example, the Bone Detectives episode "The Warlord of Bamburgh Castle" (24 March 2008), was about Edwin (killed AD 633), the first Christian king of Northumbria in Britain. And Edwin probably did have a stronghold at Bamburgh.



                                          https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1192189/?ref_=ttep_ep124



                                          So filming scenes at Bamburgh Castles was a good idea. Except that they forgot to mention that the present stone castle there was built centuries after Edwin's time and rebuilt about 1900.



                                          And they said that Edwin's enemies Penda and Cadwallon were his enemies because they were pagans and Edwin converted to Christianity. Penda, king of Mercia, was a pagan, but members of his family converted to Christianity and Penda had political reasons to be Edwin's enemy.



                                          Cadwallon, king of Gwynedd and probably king of the Britons, was a Christian from a family which had been Christian for centuries and produced a number of British saints, including his own son Cadwallader the Blessed. Cadwallon attacked Edwin because Edwin had invaded Gwynedd and driven Cadwallon into exile in Ireland.



                                          I wonder what Mr. Evan Vaughn Anwyl of Tywyn thought if he watched that episode. Why should he care? Because he is probably the present day heir of Cadwallon, and since a legend claimed that Cadwallon married Penda's sister, possibly also the heir of Penda.



                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwyl_of_Tywyn_family5



                                          The first historical error I ever noticed was when I was in an elementary school which I left when I was eleven. The class watched a sort of television documentary on the Little Bighorn. It mentioned that Custer sent a detachment under Captain Benteen one way and a detachment under major Reno another way and rode on with the rest of his men in a third direction. So far so good. But then it said that Custer reunited with Benteen and Reno before making his last stand.



                                          And that didn't sound correct to me. So I checked out a couple of books about Custer and Custer's Last Stand from the school library and the public library and read that Reno and Benteen did not, repeat not, reunite with Custer before Custer's Last Stand, which is why most of their men survived.



                                          Being an introvert, I didn't bother to tell anyone. But any kid who was more extroverted than I was might have complained to the teacher about that error, which could have resulted in some humiliation for the creators of the documentary.



                                          So any writer of fiction or non fiction who doesn't want to be humiliated by school children pointing out his errors should do the necessary historical, scientific, geographic, etc. research.






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                                          Any writer who doesn't want school children to point out errors in his work should do the necessary historical research.



                                          Isaac Asimov once wrote an introduction to a book by L. Sprague de Camp describing de Camp's research for his historical works. But sometimes de Camp's research failed him.



                                          The protagonist of Lest Darkness Fall (1939) is transported to Rome in the 530s. He asks for directions from the Pantheon to the Forum and and is told to turn left where he should turn right. He arrives at the Forum anyway and sees that columns have been removed from the pagan temples. As far as I can tell from my historical reading most or all of the Forum temples still had their columns for centuries afterward. There is another scene where the standards of the Roman army are described as having the inscription "S.P.Q.R.", which many people believe they did, even though there is no evidence that they ever did, let alone in the 530s.



                                          The Lindsay Davis novel The Silver Pigs (1989) has Roman "detective" Marcus Didius Falco investigate a conspiracy in AD 70. There is a scene set at a imperial function in Nero's Golden House, but it is my impression that Vespasian never used the Golden House, in order to appear humble. One scene is set in the vestibule with the colossal statue of Nero. The vestibule is described as a room with a roof, but archaeologists usually think the vestibule was a open air courtyard or even a recess in the palace facade.



                                          P.C. Wren's Beau Geste (1924) gives a rather accurate impression of life in the French Foreign Legion, but has a number of historical inaccuracies. One scene establishes the date as after the death of Queen Victoria on 22 January 1901. In another scene characters reach Agades before the official first European visitors, the French mission of 1906, putting the fictional date sometime in 1901-1906. The French actually annexed Agades in 1900.



                                          But Heinrich Barth reached Agades in October 1850.




                                          Today a memorial tablet honours him as the first European to have ever entered the city.




                                          One of the problems with locating the fictional Fort Zinderneuf is that it is said to have been established in the Air country, years before the French reached Agades. But Agades was the capital of Air for centuries. So Fort Zinderneuf has to be somewhere in the Air country far enough from Agades that the French would build a fort there years before they annexed Agades, among other requirements.



                                          Another historical inaccuracy is the Geste brothers participating in an expedition and battle against Tauregs with an entire French brigade, which was far larger than any French expedition into the Sahara.



                                          The sequel, Beau Sabreur, happens at an inconsistent date. German agents plot to drive the French out of the Sahara, and mention Wilhelm II's visit to Jerusalem when a great breech was made in the city wall for him to enter. But actually the breech being made in the city walls is an urban legend.



                                          So the date of Beau Sabreur should be between Wilhelm II's visit to Jerusalem in 1898 and the final German defeat in WWI in 1918. But an American women visiting the Sahara has romantic notions about desert sheiks from movies she has seen, and as far as I know the first romantic movies about desert sheiks were The Sheik (1921) and The Son of the Sheik (1926).



                                          But Beau Sabreur clearly ends just a few years after Beau Geste, and thus probably before 1910. So it has a very inconsistent date.



                                          On the other hand, as far as I can tell one doesn't have to do any historical research at all, or can totally ignore your historical research, if you write for movies and TV. At least that often seems the case when watching movies and TV shows when I know anything at all about the historical periods.



                                          For example, I haven't seen Hostiles (2017) but it is said to be a good movie. But this synopsis seems to be historically implausible.




                                          In 1892, after nearly two decades of fighting the Cheyenne, the Apache, and the Comanche natives, the United States Cavalry Captain and war hero, Joseph Blocker, is ordered to escort the ailing Cheyenne chief, Yellow Hawk--his most despised enemy--to his ancestral home in Montana's Valley of the Bears. Nauseated with a baleful anger, Joseph's unwelcome final assignment in the feral American landscape is further complicated, when the widowed settler, Rosalie Quaid, is taken in by the band of soldiers, as aggressive packs of marauding Comanches who are still on the warpath, are thirsty for blood. In a territory crawling with hostiles, can the seasoned Captain do his duty one last time?
                                          Written by Nick Riganas




                                          https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5478478/2



                                          And anyone with a basic knowledge of real life Indian Wars history knows there weren't any hostile Comanches roaming the plains in 1892.



                                          And it seems to me it would have been really easy for the scriptwriter to select a fictional year - 1872, for example - when hostile Comanche warriors were a danger.



                                          The Fantasy Island episode "My Fair Pharaoh/The Power" (10 May 1980) featured a historical character portrayed by an actor four times as old as the character ever lived to be. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0577765/3



                                          And examples of errors in television can be found even in allegedly non fictional TV programs. For example, the Bone Detectives episode "The Warlord of Bamburgh Castle" (24 March 2008), was about Edwin (killed AD 633), the first Christian king of Northumbria in Britain. And Edwin probably did have a stronghold at Bamburgh.



                                          https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1192189/?ref_=ttep_ep124



                                          So filming scenes at Bamburgh Castles was a good idea. Except that they forgot to mention that the present stone castle there was built centuries after Edwin's time and rebuilt about 1900.



                                          And they said that Edwin's enemies Penda and Cadwallon were his enemies because they were pagans and Edwin converted to Christianity. Penda, king of Mercia, was a pagan, but members of his family converted to Christianity and Penda had political reasons to be Edwin's enemy.



                                          Cadwallon, king of Gwynedd and probably king of the Britons, was a Christian from a family which had been Christian for centuries and produced a number of British saints, including his own son Cadwallader the Blessed. Cadwallon attacked Edwin because Edwin had invaded Gwynedd and driven Cadwallon into exile in Ireland.



                                          I wonder what Mr. Evan Vaughn Anwyl of Tywyn thought if he watched that episode. Why should he care? Because he is probably the present day heir of Cadwallon, and since a legend claimed that Cadwallon married Penda's sister, possibly also the heir of Penda.



                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwyl_of_Tywyn_family5



                                          The first historical error I ever noticed was when I was in an elementary school which I left when I was eleven. The class watched a sort of television documentary on the Little Bighorn. It mentioned that Custer sent a detachment under Captain Benteen one way and a detachment under major Reno another way and rode on with the rest of his men in a third direction. So far so good. But then it said that Custer reunited with Benteen and Reno before making his last stand.



                                          And that didn't sound correct to me. So I checked out a couple of books about Custer and Custer's Last Stand from the school library and the public library and read that Reno and Benteen did not, repeat not, reunite with Custer before Custer's Last Stand, which is why most of their men survived.



                                          Being an introvert, I didn't bother to tell anyone. But any kid who was more extroverted than I was might have complained to the teacher about that error, which could have resulted in some humiliation for the creators of the documentary.



                                          So any writer of fiction or non fiction who doesn't want to be humiliated by school children pointing out his errors should do the necessary historical, scientific, geographic, etc. research.







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                                              In contrast to other answers, I have to say that research is not necessarily required. This is entirely dependent on your intended readership.



                                              If you're writing a bodice-ripper set in King Arthur's Court, well, research won't help you much and may well get in the way. Your audience probably doesn't know and doesn't care that life in them times was nasty, brutal, and short, and that chivalry was widely admired and just as widely ignored. Inconsequential details like universal fleas and lice will just get in the way of the story. The charming custom of bathing once a year probably won't help with modern readers, either - at least not the sort who read bodice-rippers.



                                              In fact, what you need to do in this case is no research at all on what life was like back then, but rather concentrate on the knowing the preconceptions of your audience.



                                              What you need to do above all else is to learn what the audience will and will not accept. Accuracy is entirely optional. Acceptable verisimilitude is not.






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                                                In contrast to other answers, I have to say that research is not necessarily required. This is entirely dependent on your intended readership.



                                                If you're writing a bodice-ripper set in King Arthur's Court, well, research won't help you much and may well get in the way. Your audience probably doesn't know and doesn't care that life in them times was nasty, brutal, and short, and that chivalry was widely admired and just as widely ignored. Inconsequential details like universal fleas and lice will just get in the way of the story. The charming custom of bathing once a year probably won't help with modern readers, either - at least not the sort who read bodice-rippers.



                                                In fact, what you need to do in this case is no research at all on what life was like back then, but rather concentrate on the knowing the preconceptions of your audience.



                                                What you need to do above all else is to learn what the audience will and will not accept. Accuracy is entirely optional. Acceptable verisimilitude is not.






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                                                  In contrast to other answers, I have to say that research is not necessarily required. This is entirely dependent on your intended readership.



                                                  If you're writing a bodice-ripper set in King Arthur's Court, well, research won't help you much and may well get in the way. Your audience probably doesn't know and doesn't care that life in them times was nasty, brutal, and short, and that chivalry was widely admired and just as widely ignored. Inconsequential details like universal fleas and lice will just get in the way of the story. The charming custom of bathing once a year probably won't help with modern readers, either - at least not the sort who read bodice-rippers.



                                                  In fact, what you need to do in this case is no research at all on what life was like back then, but rather concentrate on the knowing the preconceptions of your audience.



                                                  What you need to do above all else is to learn what the audience will and will not accept. Accuracy is entirely optional. Acceptable verisimilitude is not.






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                                                  In contrast to other answers, I have to say that research is not necessarily required. This is entirely dependent on your intended readership.



                                                  If you're writing a bodice-ripper set in King Arthur's Court, well, research won't help you much and may well get in the way. Your audience probably doesn't know and doesn't care that life in them times was nasty, brutal, and short, and that chivalry was widely admired and just as widely ignored. Inconsequential details like universal fleas and lice will just get in the way of the story. The charming custom of bathing once a year probably won't help with modern readers, either - at least not the sort who read bodice-rippers.



                                                  In fact, what you need to do in this case is no research at all on what life was like back then, but rather concentrate on the knowing the preconceptions of your audience.



                                                  What you need to do above all else is to learn what the audience will and will not accept. Accuracy is entirely optional. Acceptable verisimilitude is not.







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